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[oktome]

I posted this in the intro section as well, but someone suggested to post here as well.

I noticed a common theme in many of the post in the over 40 section which doesn't seem to fit me. I don't really have any known issues, great health and physique for my age. No libido issues.

I am a 50 year old male, been working out all my life but mainly for quality of life, blood profiles are great. Feel good. Did 3 sessions of p90x last year and started on p90x2. I am a runner just completed a 1/2 in under 1:45, so my health is very good. BF13% 5'8" 145. My diet is above average for sure. I guess that isn't hard in America.

I want to start a low dose cycle for strength and looks, as I am peaking lately. I have the source and luckily no cash restrictions (one advantage of not being 20) My goal is not to get big,I want strength and lean mass.

My friend suggests starting low dose Test , 1/2cc first week, 3/4 second 1 for the rest of the of the 10-12 week cycle . Combine with HGH for 6 months. They are very knowledgeable, but want others opinions.

I also have thought about a Test /Anavar cycle instead.

Put yourself in my shoes, knowing I am runner/cyclist, not looking for bulk but strength and lean mass. Least invasive way to do it as I want to minimize side effects .

[Flier]

Welcome
Sound like your friends steered u in the right direction.
What is 1cc in mgs? 200,250? 400mgs/week Test E or C for 10-12 weeks is plenty for a first cycle. Actually plenty for 2´nd and 3´rd. You also need to add an AI, HCG and PCT meds.
BUT.....instead of all that crap, and from what you are seeking, I would just do plain HGH, and not even mess with Test.
Do 6 months of 4-5iu ED or 1-2 day break/week.
Then after 6 months, if u have not reached your goals, reconsider.
Be patient with HGH, the results will come slow.
At your age you may love it so much, you may continue after 6 months with a low dose like 2iu for the anti-aging benefits.
Do bloodwork before you start anything to see where you´re at.

[oktome]

1 cc is 250 mg, so it starts off 125 200 then weeks 4-10 250.

You may be right I may just consider the growth instead. Less mess with all the other things needed to counter the test effects.

I am a bit worried that there is so much crap out there with HGH even when you have a trusted source. does anyone care to if allowed on this forum to give a range of cost. low-high. the reason is that the friend has said the cost and it seems TGTBT.

[Flier]

There are divided opinions on this board re. Pharm and Gen. HGH.
If you can afford, buy Pharm. If u can´t get it, then "do you feel lucky, Punk?"

[oktome]

Ok after months of research I think I am ready to start.

I am not asking anyone to do my homework for me, but to to correct any info I may have wrong.

Since I have been blessed with good health at 50 and have never done a cycle, here is why I am doing it.

I work out almost everyday. At my age it seems harder to recover and gain strength. I have a good physique but want a little better and something to help with performance. As I mentioned before I am not looking to get huge. I am a runner/cyclist athlete type.

So forgive spelling

I was going to use HGH only but want to jump start my summer physique and get more strength for my current work outs. So I am going to do a short ester Prop for 2 weeks. I also dont want to take that many shots over a long cycle so I am going to finish with ethanate for the next 6-8 weeks. Start with 50-75 of Prop and then 250ml of ethanate.

I have novladex on hand for any Gyno and PCT and now believe it is my best interest to cyle HCG with the test.

I am going to wait to start HGH to see how my bloods and body respond to this. I know most don;t start with a short ester and switch to a long but I read where if I don't handle test well I can drop off a cycle and recover more quickly from a short ester. I have read about if hair falls out and what to do etc.... propecia and some shampoo that starts with a K I have it saved

Anything else I need. I have read a great article on how much HCG to run based on body fat % and when to start nolva and how much, but suggestions are always welcome.

This is the big picture stuff. The little details like how to give the least painful shot where I have read good articles but never have done it.
Also as I thought about it I started looking at what size needles etc, then I ask myself, where the hell do I get syringes etc... and found some articles on that. Once I have all the gear I will probably have forgotten some small details, besides alchohol pads etc....

I am sure many of you can relate. I have no one locally to turn to and won't be bringing this subject up at cocktail parties.

[oktome]

Well I would appreciate any input to my last post and it looks like I wont be starting the growth. I have always been lucky or unlucky depending how you look at it that I have no desire to run in groups or go to the gym for the camaraderie in that sense I am self motivated and work out mostly on my own. Many need that social aspect or motivation. The bad part is I don't know anyone in the fitness bodybuilding world except one person and they are more of an acquaintance. They sourced the HGH but it came back as the Nipertropine that when searched comes back questionable at best. Now I am stuck because that person appears to source that to everyone in my area and searching the internet is a joke. I have not been here long enough for anyone to help me I am sure, but I cant be the only one in the world that is in this situation. Any suggestion would be appreciated. Like my dad used to tell me when I was a teenager, u couldn't get laid with a $50 bill in a whore house. That is what I feel now. Cash in hand but cant get laid.

[oktome]

Guess not much activity on this over 40 and certainly not on my thread. . I appreciated the HGH cycle suggestion here, but holy cow. After reading thread after thread, on board after board, it appears most if not all growth is really close to junk, if not outright junk. So it appears only Pharm grade is worth the money. Now that does not seem to be easy to find, and sometimes that is even counterfitted. I listened to a top expert Dr Crisler talk about SubQ test injections as good alternative to IntraM, so I may just run a low dose with stuff on hand and see what happens.