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    Pre-planning question

    Hello everyone,

    I've been on here reading and learning for awhile now. I am one of those people who want to know everything as much as possible, so this site has been great for me. A huge THANKS! to everyone for contributing and assisting guys like me.

    I am still planning out a first cycle, and I have read through all of the "beginners" and "first cycle" stickies. However, I do have a question that is a little more specific to me. Of course, once I have an exact cycle plan laid out, I will run it by everyone in one of the other sections, but since my question is more age related, I started off here.

    Basic info:
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    5' 10" 170lbs
    15% bf
    Always been athletic since back in my Marine Corps days but been lifting primarily the last 3 yrs steady

    Just got BW results. Test (total) was 451. TSH was 3.29. All basic BW and normal yearly physical stuff was within range. BP was 118/66.

    My question is; with my test at 450 range, should I look into planning my first test cycle with the "normal" 250/ 2x per week of test e/cyp or should I go a little higher? I know that my test was done first thing in the morning, so that was my level at it's highest point of the day, but I'm not sure how much drop off happens through out the day. I just want to be sure that I don't under shoot the amount.

    Also, would it be better to work out in the morning while levels are at their highest, or is there not much difference gained?

    Thanks in advance everyone and I really appreciate it!
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    Welcome! You are gonna have to ask yourself if you really want to shut down your endocrine system with that level. Most of us would love to gave natty levels that high

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    Take a better look at your thyroid. Your TSH is high and anything over 2 should really be looked at. I know, doc says your in range but the range used is old. A more current standard range is .3 - 3.0 so take that in consideration. Hypothyroid or sub-clinical hypo will suppress testosterone levels . Be nice to have them even higher naturally wouldn't it? Look into getting BW for FT3, FT4, RT3 and Antibodies for a better evaluation. It could make a big difference.

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    I will gladly do that. Thanks so much for the info! My doc wouldn't even look at free test or anything else because my total test was fine. It's a VA doc, which is all I have, but maybe if I can show him something, I can convince him to look further. Also, I live in a state where I cannot order my own blood work, so I have to have a script.

    I really do appreciate it!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jmjk13
    I will gladly do that. Thanks so much for the info! My doc wouldn't even look at free test or anything else because my total test was fine. It's a VA doc, which is all I have, but maybe if I can show him something, I can convince him to look further. I really do appreciate it!!
    why would he look any further your test level is good and we'll with the normal range? Listen to kel

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    Hey kelkel, I freely admit that I don't know a damn thing compared to you, and I really thought you were on to something mentioning the new range for TSH to be measured in. I found so much info stating the same thing, however, it seems like it was overturned. Aug 2014 was the closest date I could find, but I saw this;
    IMPORTANT NOTE / Update as of 2014: Unfortunately, the AACE has gone back and forth since 2002, and the new TSH reference range was NOT adopted as a standard. As of 2014, the AACE has gone back to advocating for the wider, old, pre-2002 reference range.

    I also went on the AACE website and best I could find was they say 4.12 is the current high limit set.

    I do want to say thanks because I learned so much and now know to watch that number. There's no way to influence it and it can't be adjusted through lifestyle changes, so when it's out of whack, it needs to be looked at.

    Thanks!

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    Bio, the last thing kelkel says was "Look into getting BW for FT3, FT4, RT3 and Antibodies for a better evaluation. It could make a big difference."
    I was trying to explain that this doc won't. I surly was't trying to disagree. Sorry if it came across wrong.

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