Establishing Cycle Tolerance for Older Guys

[Charlie67]

This is just a thought question:

Much of the "first-cycle" advice around various forums is asked by 20-25 yr olds and the answers/advice are all over the place. The internet allows for everyone to be 'right', and there are seemingly a hundred "perfect first cycles".... but aren't we ignoring the "everyone is different" mentality by doing so? Especially when talking about 40+ first-cycle folks who generally have a higher BF%/Blood pressure/stress/etc?

For example, a solid basic cycle might be Test/Arimidex/HCG, but then when you research each one of the three, you get "Arimidex is bad, blah, blah, blah, take Aromasin" and you get "HCG is perfect, unless its not perfect, then is sucks... but only take it during PCT, unless you take it during your cycle, then don't".... and on and on. How are these kids (or older guys) supposed to figure out what they tolerate? or worse yet, what they are NOT tolerating... because they stacked it with Dbol/mast/oxy and 5 different AI's... and the majority of advice usually includes some unhelpful advice like "you know nothing, keep reading", but more reading often yields more confusion.

At some point don't you just have to suggest they baby-step there way along? Why not try a Test only cycle, with a solid PCT plan? And see how you react? Not instantly jumping into AI's, add-ons, etc. (being prepared for side effects with supplies ON HAND of course).

My own answer to the above would be that a basic cycle like Test/Arimidex/HCG probably suits 75% of people, regardless of age and its a good starting place. And why risk nasty side affects in the first place? But is that the best advice?

[fastindirt]

I'm 47. Once I got my diet correct and my cardio in gear, a test only cycle did great. Had to get my fundamentals down first and then the gains slowly happened. Just my 2 cents

[Scruffyhead]

Have little to no experience, im on week two of my first ever cycle. 4th pin tomorrow. Running test only, PCT planned. But i am not doing anything else during cycle, precisely because id like to see how my body reacts with regards to water retention, estrogen, gyno and other possible side effects.

Yea some might say stupid and thats a mistake, but for my own sake if i try then i know. I know how my body reacts to test. Besides all the theories out there.

[kelkel]

Have little to no experience, im on week two of my first ever cycle. 4th pin tomorrow. Running test only, PCT planned. But i am not doing anything else during cycle, precisely because id like to see how my body reacts with regards to water retention, estrogen, gyno and other possible side effects.

Yea some might say stupid and thats a mistake, but for my own sake if i try then i know. I know how my body reacts to test. Besides all the theories out there.

Scruffy that's a bad idea. This is not the early 70's. Knowledge is power and it makes absolutely no sense to wait for a side effect to arise and then treat it when you can mitigate it from the start. External side effects do not always rear their head, but it's the internal ones you need to guard against. Such as the detrimental effects of having the estrogen level of a pregnant female like you do right now. Controlling estrogen with an AI is not a theory, it's scientific fact. Same as HCG will stimulate testicular function on cycle. I can only assume you value your testicals to some extent?

Knowledge is power. Use it.

[songdog]

We give safe advice and its proven.Not running a ai beacuse you dont feel anything is crazy or waiting for Gyno to rear its head.To take action is also not smart.Like said above use the knowledge we have now to your advantage.