Just wondering if anyone has considered this? I tried Animal Stak 2 as a stand alone, and i defintetly felt it raised by test levels. From what i recall it has trib, avena sativa, longjack, and some other stuff in it. Any thoughts using it as pct?
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Just wondering if anyone has considered this? I tried Animal Stak 2 as a stand alone, and i defintetly felt it raised by test levels. From what i recall it has trib, avena sativa, longjack, and some other stuff in it. Any thoughts using it as pct?
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What are you using in your cycle?
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nothing right now, i under estimated how much Revolt--max lmg would shut me down. Right now i'm waiting to see an endo to find out if that is indeed the cause of all the syptoms i'm having--before i take anything. I just thought that might be a good idea for someone to try--wondering if anyone has tried it?
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max lmg barely shut me down at all
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Chest6, do you know if Max LMG is hard on blood lipid profiles? If it is, I think he would be better off running a SERM like nolva so it could help with his blood lipids. His supplement would help with natural test production but not this (as far as I know).Originally Posted by chest6
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i believe my test levels were already low before trying it--from stress from work, and overtraining. I expected an energy boost from it, instead it shut me down hard, and i had absolutely no energy for two weeks--still not recovered.
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He is an excellent post by Ntpadude (fellow member):
I take redkat myself and just 2 pills a day... after a couple weeks if you are still ON cycle, you will notice a nice return in size to your shrunken nuts. In PCT this stuff is really good, I am in PCT after 9 months of deca use at 600 mg a week and I have had the easiest PCT ever!!! Even easier then an 8 week testosterone only cycle without tongkat. There was virtually no decline in sex drive, actually it increased steadily when I missed the shot on week #1 and 3 weeks after my last test e shot I was experiencing the best sex drive I've had in a year. Grant it I started by redkat/tongkat ali about 4 months ago and stayed on steady. Now that PCT is over (no more clomid, etc) I am still going very strong, the most incredible wife gagging cum loads of my life and not only a vigorous sex drive, but the enjoyability factor while having sex is better then any "on testosterone" cycle I ever been on.
Yes while you can actually see improvements in "deca dick" in just 1 week, it really takes 1 month for your body to fully respond. I was deca dicked really bad in my 4th month on deca/test and the testosterone I took with the deca wasnt helping, balls ached and shrunk very badly. I started tongkat as last ditch effort to prevent stopping the cycle and the aches ended within 2 days of starting, balls started growing back noticably well by end of first week and sex drive and ability to maintain hard-on improved in a big way, even though I continued my deca doses for another 4 months! I have done tribulus before, tribulus doesnt seem to do anything like tongkat, but tongkat is basically your herbal HCG taken by mouth, it can and does easily overpower deca dick and ball shrinkage while on cycle. Also makes your steroids more effective by keeping down your SHBG's which deactivate testosterone and near testosterone compounds.
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Ntpadude:
Tongkat ali has been proven to boost your total testosterone levels to about double if you stay on it long enough, but it also lowers your SHBG's so you get about a 440% increase in "free testosterone".
Its also been shown to work something like HCG, in that tongkat can actually cause you to begin producing natural testosterone and continue to lower your SHBG's even if you are taking tongkat while "on" a cycle which involves deca durabolin or trenbalone. In otherwords these 2 drugs are the most powerful things to shut down your natural testosterone production, and yet tongkat can overpower this shutdown effect and get you producing again. Also makes your steroids you are taking more effective because lowering SHBG's reduces the "tollerance" effect that SHBG's do to your steroid tollerances. As we know, SHBG's bind to ALL anabolic steroids, not just testosterone, and it partially disables deca, tren, test, winstrol, etc... so tongkat ali is a cycler's best friend actually.
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Bryan2 (supplement guru) on the active life of tongkat ali:
completley out of the body within 8 hours
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From Nptadude:
400:1
I also found your body becomes more and more responsive to tongkat over time. Like you might not be so impress the first time, after all no LH stimulant will take you over a certain level which is probably roughly equivalent to 150 to 200 mg test e bi-weekly in natural production. But I have noticed, either the red kat is more powerful now then when it first came out, or else even if I take 3 to 6 months off between usages, by body becomes quicker to respond to it on succeeding uses.
I also know someone who wanted to boost testostoerone levels but not willing to do steroids. After 2 months on tongkat, he is getting bacne from tongkat and also grew a friggin 1 full inch on his arms working out in the gym. Prior to that, same workout program was only netting him about 1/4 inch per year in arm growth. I'd say it seems this person has seen some pretty interesting results from tongkat ali alone.
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Thanks, i'll have to give it a try. I actually have a pretty good anti-e, but i don't know if my estradiol is neccessarily high or not. For starters, i only took three pills, and it says there is no estrogen conversion. My test is low though--well, low end of normal 248 (241-827), and i really feel like shit. LH is center of normal, FSH is just barely in normal range. I am a little hesitant to try anything till i talk to endo, i hope he will treat me as i am technically withnin normal limits.
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What Types of Test Does Tongkat Ali and Tribulus Raise?
A lot of individuals include tongkat ali or tribulus into their PCTs. This is what Bryan2 had to say on tongkat ali and tribulus:
Tongat actually has clinical research behind it showing raises in test levels both total and free.
mainly by reducing SHBG to raise free test
tribulus on the other hand has no studies that I can find showing any significant raise in test levels.
But this is mainly due to the fact that they do NOT mega dose like we do in the studies.
Ive seen one study that shows a slight raise in total test levels from trib but the effects only lasted around 45 mins.
and free test was unaffected.
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Be careful with a product that has trib in it.
Ntpadude:
The thing with tribulus is the scientific studies have shown it works something like the way echinachia does when boosting your immunity to fight a cold. You get a temporary boost that peaks out in 10 days, after that the boost drops back to baseline.
There is also evidence that tribulus also substantially boosts production of aromatase emzyme which results in increased estrogen production. The reason for the 10 day boost then drop back in testosterone production is probably the estrogen it generates begins to inhibit testosterone production. It seems to me, taking tribulus during a cycle without an aromatase inhibitor could be disasterous or dangerous for those prone to gyno. For that matter I used to take tribex during cycles and had itchy sensative nipples which kept me taking nolvadex. Since I dropped the tribulus, I noticed I can do cycles and not need to take any anti-e's at all. In otherwords, in my opinion, the tribulus had no effect on ball regrowth and it actually made me take a lot of nolva that I otherwise did not need to take, etc.
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Bryan2 on tribulus's active life:
Most likely around 8 hours as well but the exact number im not aware of
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Follow his advice first. The information I found for you was on the ingredients in the Animal Stack 2. What AI are you taking?
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it's called attack, made by same company as revolt. I have taken it before as a stand alone, and works great. I haven't taken it since i got shut down, because like i said before, i don't know if my estrogen is high or not, and i don't want to **ck with my system any more. If the endo blows me off, then i will definetly try taking it again, along with redkat
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I will be using the AI, PCT for my next post cycle therapy. It's made by Anabolic Xtreme. As far as research chemicals go, I like to use arimidex as my AI of choice, in PCT.
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what's the worst u have felt after a cycle?
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I had no libido. I believe that may estrogen levels were too high. I was shutdown very hard. Here is the PCT I did.
Nolva 20mg, Clomid 100mg, Arimidex 0.25mg, 4 Redkat pills, and 4g of Tribulus ED for 4 weeks.
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