GYNO 6 Months Later?

**LAGMuXle** · 02-25-2006, 04:32 PM

Hey Bros,

I have been off for about 6 Months now.

About 3 weeks ago, I ended my SECOND PCT consisting of:

Nolva 30mg ED
Letro 2.5mg for 7 days, 1.25mg for 5 days, then .5mg ED for remainder of 4 weeks.

Just the other day, about two days ago to more specific, my nipples became very sensitive and seem puffy, and ITCH like crazy.

Someone mentioned to me "estrogen rebound" because I may have taken too much letro... any thoughts on this?

I can't tell if it's lumps, or just normal tissue and some fat around the nipples. Nothing is "rock hard" but there is tissue surrounding my nipples.

Should I do another PCT? This time using clomid? I have plenty of that. But will that reduce the puffy nipples and any bumps that may be developing?

I do not have a doctor to visit locally. I've checked with the local gym and there aren't any doctors nearby that know what they are talking about.. they just want to lecture. So, I thought I would post here to see what you guys had to say.

Thanks in advance,

LAGMuXle

Update:

I think I might be getting some lumpy tissue feelings around my nipples, it could be psychological. Would it hurt to do another PCT... and if I do, what would be the best suggestion to get lumps to reduce their size and get my levels back to normal?

**leansauce** · 02-25-2006, 08:01 PM

i dont think clomid will help you very much with the nip situation i have even recently heard in studies where clomid may itself cause small gyno symptoms, another pct wouldnt hurt but damn thats a lot of pct, did u take nolva when u stopped taking letro and for atleast a week or two afterwards?? if not then i can say im pretty postive the estrogen rebound, which is for real, is why you are getting these symptoms, try aromasin and nolva if you run another pct since aromasin has no rebound due to its irreversible characteristics, i dont think anything would be more effective than nolva and aromasin. i have heard in many studies that if you take nolva while taking letro it reduces the blood plasma level of the letro to below the necessary amount to notice any effects, so if you took nolva during the whole time u took letro in your last pct, the letro was most likely a waste of time, but if you didnt run nolva at the very end, (starting last week of letro) and for a week or two then you were just askin for gyno

**LAGMuXle** · 02-25-2006, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by leansauce

i dont think clomid will help you very much with the nip situation i have even recently heard in studies where clomid may itself cause small gyno symptoms, another pct wouldnt hurt but damn thats a lot of pct, did u take nolva when u stopped taking letro and for atleast a week or two afterwards?? if not then i can say im pretty postive the estrogen rebound, which is for real, is why you are getting these symptoms, try aromasin and nolva if you run another pct since aromasin has no rebound due to its irreversible characteristics, i dont think anything would be more effective than nolva and aromasin. i have heard in many studies that if you take nolva while taking letro it reduces the blood plasma level of the letro to below the necessary amount to notice any effects, so if you took nolva during the whole time u took letro in your last pct, the letro was most likely a waste of time, but if you didnt run nolva at the very end, (starting last week of letro) and for a week or two then you were just askin for gyno

Very interesting... I haven't heard of anything like this before.

I guess I didn't do my reading up on PCT properly.

Thanks for the input leansauce, I'll keep this in mind and plan another PCT.

I'll post up progress on here.

**Jet** · 02-26-2006, 08:49 AM

I'm having the same thing right now after a month and a half off PCT
I took EMAX and did a Nolva/Rebound PCT

**LAGMuXle** · 02-26-2006, 11:01 AM

How were your results?

**LAGMuXle** · 02-26-2006, 12:23 PM

I posted this on the steroid forum as well - just wanted to put a copy on this thread too:
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Ok guys this is what I've come up with.

I've done a little bit of reading in the PCT forum, which is where I posted this a second time.

We all may be experiencing the same thing... here is what I've come to believe is my personal situation;

Estrogen rebound.

Some of you may have heard of this before. This is when your body's natural estrogen production is shut down by an anti-estrogen such as Letrozole . When you come off of the Letrozole, you need to continue Nolva for a couple of weeks to "slowly" allow your estrogen to build back up. If you discontinue both on the same day (as I did) you will create an estrogen rebound, where your body produces more estrogen than needed. Thus, causing you to have gyno symptoms, or any other related symptoms.

I am going to do a third PCT soon consisting of:

Wks 1-3: 25mg Aromasin ED
Wks 1-5: 40mg Nolva ED

Due to aromasins irreversible aspects, it should lower my estrogen to the correct state and not allow a sudden estrogen rebound.

Any suggestions will be appreciated.

LAGMuXle

**Jet** · 02-26-2006, 08:57 PM

If you look around you'll see my post about it too. I havnt started a 2nd PCT but I will very shortly.
What do you mean about by aromasins irreversible aspects?

**leansauce** · 02-26-2006, 09:43 PM

irreversible means whatever aromasin does will stay that way, unlike other AI's and SERMS where you may be only temporarily masking the problem when u see results, also the idea of nolva for the estrogen rebound is that the nolva does not stop the extra estrogen that is produced after taking an AI, but instead makes it not bind to the receptor causing negative estrogen effects, within a week usually the estrogen rebound will have subsided and you will be able to discontinue the nolva since the estrogen in your body should now be at a normal state

**LAGMuXle** · 02-27-2006, 10:13 AM

leansauce -

Thanks for the update and help.

I'll post a review of my progress after a week or so of my PCT. I am ordering supplies today.

LAGMuXle

**Ufa** · 02-28-2006, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by LAGMuXle

Hey Bros,

I have been off for about 6 Months now.

About 3 weeks ago, I ended my SECOND PCT consisting of:

Nolva 30mg ED
Letro 2.5mg for 7 days, 1.25mg for 5 days, then .5mg ED for remainder of 4 weeks.

Just the other day, about two days ago to more specific, my nipples became very sensitive and seem puffy, and ITCH like crazy.

Someone mentioned to me "estrogen rebound" because I may have taken too much letro... any thoughts on this?

I can't tell if it's lumps, or just normal tissue and some fat around the nipples. Nothing is "rock hard" but there is tissue surrounding my nipples.

Should I do another PCT? This time using clomid? I have plenty of that. But will that reduce the puffy nipples and any bumps that may be developing?

I do not have a doctor to visit locally. I've checked with the local gym and there aren't any doctors nearby that know what they are talking about.. they just want to lecture. So, I thought I would post here to see what you guys had to say.

Thanks in advance,

LAGMuXle

Update:

I think I might be getting some lumpy tissue feelings around my nipples, it could be psychological. Would it hurt to do another PCT... and if I do, what would be the best suggestion to get lumps to reduce their size and get my levels back to normal?

If you are out of the top range of estrogen you need a aromastse inhibitor.
Human Grade Arimidex @Anastrozole by astrazenica 1 mg per day will reduce estorgen by 80% Source Physicans Desk Reference. Increase Test 400 pts.
Just get rid of the Estro before it does damage. I would not take that othe crap. Especially Vet stuff. Give it to your dog.

**leansauce** · 02-28-2006, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Ufa

If you are out of the top range of estrogen you need a aromastse inhibitor.
Human Grade Arimidex @Anastrozole by astrazenica 1 mg per day will reduce estorgen by 80% Source Physicans Desk Reference. Increase Test 400 pts.
Just get rid of the Estro before it does damage. I would not take that othe crap. Especially Vet stuff. Give it to your dog.

the research products are the exact same product as those made by pharmaceutical companies such as astrazeneca, if your for some reason under the impression that the legit prescription stuff is better than reseach products do u also not use UGLs? becuz its basically the same premise, anyways go ahead and have fun wasting your money on overpriced products

shit the research stuff is expensive enough

**LAGMuXle** · 03-01-2006, 10:24 AM

Ok... got it in today;

50mL of Tamoxifen (20mg/mL)
20mL of Exemestane (25mg/mL)

I will be taking 40mg of Tamoxifen and 25mg of Exemestane for 21 days starting 3/1/06, ending 3/22/06.

I will post my results here after it is completed.

**Jet** · 03-01-2006, 12:53 PM

I'll be doing Tamox 40mg and LDex .5mg for 3-4 weeks. I'll also keep you updated.

**SlingMetal** · 03-01-2006, 07:28 PM

What is the point of using other PCT's like Nova, etc. if you are using Aromisin? All I take is Aromisin, i would like to know if I need to buy anything else... I am mid cycle, I already have HCG , and clomid handy-but I am onlky using AROMISIN for gyno stuff-is that enough?

**leansauce** · 03-01-2006, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by SlingMetal

What is the point of using other PCT's like Nova, etc. if you are using Aromisin? All I take is Aromisin, i would like to know if I need to buy anything else... I am mid cycle, I already have HCG, and clomid handy-but I am onlky using AROMISIN for gyno stuff-is that enough?

that should be enough yes but some of us are willing to take nolva also to make double sure nothing happens, theres no real bad aspects to adding nolva u should be fine tho

**SlingMetal** · 03-02-2006, 08:27 PM

i did here though if you take too much anti-e stuff, your gains will not be good... will adding nova effect my gains also?

**jokerswild** · 03-03-2006, 12:27 AM

Leansauce, great info on Nolva lessening the effects of Letro. I did not know that and will research that more.

My only suggestion in adding something to the aromasin /nolva PCT would be cabergoline or Bromocriptine. Even if there were no nandrolones used during cycle...any surplus of estrogen can often incite higher prolactin levels that in turn will cause the puffy nip-gyno type symptoms. Caberg. and Bromo. or the only combantents to cover this angle of attack that estrogen gets some of us on.

I know from experience. God, I wish I'd know of this stuff before I ever started juicin'.

**LAGMuXle** · 03-03-2006, 03:23 PM

Just an update on my progress:

Today (3/3/06) is day 3.

Physical:
I have noticed a significant reduction in the sensitivity of my nipples to touch. The tissue still seems to feel imflamed, but possibly not quite as much as it was before beginning this PCT.

Emotional:
No emotional updates.

Side Effects:
No side effects as of yet.

It is still early in the PCT, I have decided to change the structure slightly:

Days 1-14: 25mg Exemestane ED
Days 1-14: 40mg Tamoxifen ED
Days 14-21: 20mg Tamoxifen ED

I may consider extending the Tamoxifen past the 21 day point with an even lower doseage such as 10mg ED for a period of 7 more days, thus totalling my PCT at 28 days. I have read that by tapering down the doseage on the Nolva it will combat Estrogen rebound, preventing a re-occurance of any problems.

I will continue to update this post as the PCT continues.

Regards,

LAGMuXle

**Jet** · 03-05-2006, 02:27 PM

Day 6 for me on L Dex .5mg and Nolva 40 mg
Definitly helping my gyno also my labido is through the freaking roof. I had to rub one out on a 6 hrs drive while on the highway yesterday. Guess the L dex is raising the natural test quicker than I expeced

**leansauce** · 03-06-2006, 09:48 PM

lets get an update bros, lagmuxle and jet

**Jet** · 03-06-2006, 10:38 PM

Here's my all around update. The nips are still puffy and the lumps under my nip have no receeded, in fact they feel harder. Maybe they need to break down.
Plus side is they don't hurt anymore, no itching or anything like that, occasionally they become erect. I still have yet to fully get back into the gym though. Been working like a dog. I noticed after working out they feel better as well.