42 days pct still no sex drive

**ToTheBuckeT21** · 02-26-2006, 02:55 PM

Is this normal at all?

1-4 dbol 35
1-14 test E 550
1-13 deca 400
12-16 hcg

I've been on 100mgs clomid, 20mgs nolva, .25Ldex, 3g trib and last week i just added 1.25mg bromo.. I only have about 8 days worth of clomid and nolva left unless i drop it down to 50mgs clomid and 10mgs of nolva for like 15-20 days. I mean i can get it up with a little work but its def not easy. and it will rarely stay up for more than 10mins at a time then i'll loose it and i can usually get it back up in like 2-3mins. I got blood work done like 2 weeks ago to see were my test levels were and yea they were pretty low, my dr wants me to come back in april for a follow up. I'm only 22 i don't wanna go on a testosterone therapy and mess me up for life.. I'm gonna get some tongkat soon but what do i do when the clomid runs out? I still have some HCG can i use that for anything.. i don't think i can but i dont' know.

**LuvMuhRoids** · 02-26-2006, 03:28 PM

tell me how you ran that hcg 12-16 and how close did you stop before the clomid administration.

right now i would drop the ldex, trib, dont worry about bromo right now. dont do anything else just yet. lets go back to basics and start from there. tell me about what you did with hcg first.

i can tell you right now its the deca doing this. did it to me and its common on deca.

**ToTheBuckeT21** · 02-26-2006, 03:52 PM

i did 500-750 every 4 days and i stopped like 3 days before clomid

**ToTheBuckeT21** · 02-26-2006, 06:49 PM

I don't know if i wanna drop the bromo.. it seems to be helping since i started it

**LuvMuhRoids** · 02-26-2006, 07:46 PM

you having problems with elevated progesterone levels? Nandrolone products have a habit of elevating prog levels but i dont think you should worry about that right now.

i wanted to strip this down to two basic compounds so no other elements could be inhibiting each other. My guess is the letro may be causing problems from lowering estrogen to low. I would cut out trib to because this product may be inhibiting clomids action. Both clomid and trib are competeing for the same action in LH stimulation. I would go with clomid alone even though i know some users like running trib. I wouldnt trust a commercially motivated element anyways that has no independent lab research for my pct.

bottom line is break it down to the basic compounds nolva clomid for couple more weeks at 100/20 lets see where that takes you. That's my advice. This may work in increasing libido because my theory is you have to many wrenches in the clock to fix it. All getting in each others way to do the job.

**ToTheBuckeT21** · 02-27-2006, 11:35 AM

What your saying is too much of a good thing.. Alright i'll give this a try i mean i really have nothing to loose my sex drive is swamped as it is

**spywizard** · 02-27-2006, 11:37 AM

yep i agree the letro works.. but takes me too low.. about 2 weeks after stopping the letro, i seem to be back to normal..

**tallyjuice** · 02-27-2006, 04:29 PM

Totally the letro. Good luck getting any erection response on that shit. **** letro.

**ToTheBuckeT21** · 02-27-2006, 11:18 PM

Um.. i wasn't on letro.. Isn't Ldex the same as Adex but in liquid form.. i guess i could be wrong. I've dropped the bromo, adex and trib.. and honestly i feel like my sex drive is even lower.. and thats only after like 3 days. I guess it could be in my head. Any more thoughts on if i should keep up the bromo, adex, trib.. maybe throw in some tongkat or something.. this is horrible

**ToTheBuckeT21** · 02-27-2006, 11:25 PM

horrible!!!!

**ToTheBuckeT21** · 02-27-2006, 11:28 PM

And what about proviron ? I mean I don't know were to get it from at the moment... but if i happen upon it can i use that in pct to help boost the sex drive?

**ToTheBuckeT21** · 02-28-2006, 12:38 AM

nobody?

**Anabolios** · 02-28-2006, 08:39 AM

you can use proviron in pct to up your sex drive...some people will say no but you can...did you say you started your pct 3 days after deca ? or 3 weeks? because that stuff takes 3 weeks to fully leave your system then you can start your pct...you should use your hcg BEFORE pct as it is suppresive to natty testosterone production you coudl stop your pct...use the hcg for a few weeks then start the pct again with 40/mg nolva and 100mg/clomid everyday? maybe this isnt a good idea but it seems like it could work in this situation

**tallyjuice** · 02-28-2006, 08:55 AM

Sorry, I thought you said you took letro. Look, relax bro. You have to realize that deca shuts you you down hard as shit. I never use it because it takes me months to revitalize my test levels. Try short cycles in the future. The recovery time is much better. TRUST ME ON THIS! Oh yeah, you'll be fine man. Just relax.

**BITTAPART2** · 02-28-2006, 09:24 AM

ok deca does not clear the system in three weeks!! try more like 18months to completely clear the system it stays around for a very long time, NPP is the exception there but it has shown to be slow to remove itself as well, yes proviron can be used PCT but I too would not reccomend this as it will just cause a rebound when discontinued, IMO the deca should be discontinued well before testosterone (i would run the test for another 3 weeks after last administration of deca) then start PCT 2 1/2 weeks after the last test shot, but here we are, you havent done this so we need to find out what to do, I would run the clomid at 50 ED and nolva 20 ED. when the clomid runs out then start the tongkat ali, If I was you I would get some cialis take it EOD at around 5-10 so when you need it, you got wood to work w/ believe it or not cialis has been shown to increase T levels

**ToTheBuckeT21** · 02-28-2006, 11:21 AM

i ran my hcg before pct.. and pct started 3 weeks after last deca shot 2 weeks after last test shot

**Anabolios** · 02-28-2006, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by BITTAPART2

ok deca does not clear the system in three weeks!! try more like 18months to completely clear the system it stays around for a very long time, NPP is the exception there but it has shown to be slow to remove itself as well, yes proviron can be used PCT but I too would not reccomend this as it will just cause a rebound when discontinued, IMO the deca should be discontinued well before testosterone (i would run the test for another 3 weeks after last administration of deca) then start PCT 2 1/2 weeks after the last test shot, but here we are, you havent done this so we need to find out what to do, I would run the clomid at 50 ED and nolva 20 ED. when the clomid runs out then start the tongkat ali, If I was you I would get some cialis take it EOD at around 5-10 so when you need it, you got wood to work w/ believe it or not cialis has been shown to increase T levels

alright you know exactly what i meant were not talking about for drug testing purposes this is for his pct purposes and it looks like your pct was lined up decently so i guess you just had bad luck with the deca...get blood work done or wait it out with some tongkat and trib

**dabigcheese** · 02-28-2006, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by ToTheBuckeT21

Is this normal at all?

1-4 dbol 35
1-14 test E 550
1-13 deca 400
12-16 hcg

I've been on 100mgs clomid, 20mgs nolva, .25Ldex, 3g trib and last week i just added 1.25mg bromo.. I only have about 8 days worth of clomid and nolva left unless i drop it down to 50mgs clomid and 10mgs of nolva for like 15-20 days. I mean i can get it up with a little work but its def not easy. and it will rarely stay up for more than 10mins at a time then i'll loose it and i can usually get it back up in like 2-3mins. I got blood work done like 2 weeks ago to see were my test levels were and yea they were pretty low, my dr wants me to come back in april for a follow up. I'm only 22 i don't wanna go on a testosterone therapy and mess me up for life.. I'm gonna get some tongkat soon but what do i do when the clomid runs out? I still have some HCG can i use that for anything.. i don't think i can but i dont' know.

In me experience, Deca has the effect of "de-sensitising" the dick. And it takes several weeks for the old sensitivity to return. I wouldn't get worried sick about it.

What is most important is for you to ensure that you retain your gains (which you should be able to if you use clomid properly). The normal functioning of the dick will return when most of the deca has left the system.

Deca does f*** up erections badly. It is something you have to take on the chin when you juice with Deca.

**dabigcheese** · 02-28-2006, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by ToTheBuckeT21

i ran my hcg before pct.. and pct started 3 weeks after last deca shot 2 weeks after last test shot

How many weeks has it been since the last shot of Deca ?

**ToTheBuckeT21** · 02-28-2006, 04:53 PM

since my last deca shot?... december.. 20th i think so alittle over 2 months.. I'll never freakin run deca again.. its awesome when on but in my opinion totally not worth it. Another thing i don't understand is that i'm not dropping weight at all.. if my test is staying so low shouldn't i loose weight alot?

**dabigcheese** · 02-28-2006, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by ToTheBuckeT21

since my last deca shot?... december.. 20th i think so alittle over 2 months.. I'll never freakin run deca again.. its awesome when on but in my opinion totally not worth it. Another thing i don't understand is that i'm not dropping weight at all.. if my test is staying so low shouldn't i loose weight alot?

That's the whole point. Unless you have run tests to check your Test levels, how do you know your Test level is low?

Right now I am on a cycle of Test and Deca very similar to yours. 5 weeks into it. Nice gains (close to 20 Lbs). But I can't get it up. I'm on 600 mgs of Test a week and 500 mgs of Deca. So clearly, its not a shortage of Test that is causing me to have have soft erections or no erections at all (while I could get rock hard boners just a few weeks ago).

No deca f***s the dick. If you've done a Deca cycle and then can't get it up, its not because you aren't producing enough Test (or there isn't enough test in your system). Its just that the Deca has the strange effect of depriving your penis of sensitivity.

Right now I feel horny all day because of the Test but can't get a hard on no matter what I do.

The only advantage Deca has is that it is not very androgenic and gains from Deca are very keepable. But other than that it's a s**t steroid .

**dabigcheese** · 02-28-2006, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by ToTheBuckeT21

since my last deca shot?... december.. 20th i think so alittle over 2 months.. I'll never freakin run deca again.. its awesome when on but in my opinion totally not worth it. Another thing i don't understand is that i'm not dropping weight at all.. if my test is staying so low shouldn't i loose weight alot?

Ill also add this: you can get erections now. So obviously Deca 's effect has faded away a lot because trust me, if it was acting at its full potential, you'd manage no erection at all.

What you will find over the next few weeks is that the quality of your erections will improve slowly. And then one fine day you'll have orgasms like a teenager emerging from puberty. They will come back with a vengenace.

Watch your weight buddy. One can live with a slightly limp dick for a few weeks but losing those gains would be a total disaster. If your weight stays constant, I wouldn't worry about it. I'd stay put.

Get your bloodwork done just to be sure though.

**ToTheBuckeT21** · 02-28-2006, 07:13 PM

Yea i'm going back i think the first week of april for blood work.. I hope its all back to normal by then cause if not my dr is prob gonna make me do androgel or something and i don't know what type of long term effects that'll have on me only being 21.. but maybe i've always had low test and just never knew it.