Originally Posted by
LuvMuhRoids
You guys ever heard the saying "to many wrenchs in the clock to fix it"?
Last week I took notice on several boards complaints of recovery problems in PCT. I have been trying to help the best that I can but it's becoming difficult because some users are using to much.
What I have noticed is members have been reading and the information is getting out there. I remember couple years ago there were no PCT forums and I was asking board admins to open a forum so it can be talked about more.
problem now is PCT is being over done. To many elements running together because of paranoia and the fear of recovery.
I dont have any research to prove this but if you know all these recovery products well enough. Logically you can guess if you run them together one will just work against the other.
So im telling you guys break it back down to basics and start from there. There is no need for 6,7, or 8 different PCT products running all together. Run nolva through your cycle if you have gyno problems. If you dont then keep it on hand. run arimidex if nolva isn't enough after upping nolva. run letro if arimidex isnt enough. run hcg only on long huge cycles. dont run hcg with clomid, why run trib with clomid. keep it basic and simple.
Im seeing one guy running HCG, nolva, clomid, letro, trib, 6oxo and some other over the counter stuff for over 30 days thinking this is better. I dont see the point to running so many damn products thinking more is better and it was his second cycle.
I went to one board and saw a member complaining he lost his libido and is impotent after a short cycle of test but he ran 42 days of nolva, clomid, letro, trib, HCG. Now im thinking why the hell did he run it for so long and why letro, why even HCG?
Letro first of all is an upgrade of arimidex. Second of all i think we all forgot AI's should be ran if nolvadex the SERM doesn't work. Run letro if arimidex isnt strong enough. Im seeing everyone going to letro all of a sudden.
Then i see a complaint I got gyno after 5 months off cycle and after PCT but i ran letro, nolvadex, clomid, HCG, trib, on cycle/off cycle over th counter products and 6oxo.
ok tell me that's not to much. He ran this PCT for almost 50 days. He suppressed his estrogen and got an estrogen back lash is what he did. Again why is he running letro why not arimidex. why arimidex in the first place if this is your first, second cycle and its only 500mg's a week?
It's a little to much paranoia and Im seeing members hurting themselves running to many compounds together. Also I dont trust trib. If it does what it is supposed to do they why run it with clomid. I dont think you should run HCG, clomid, and trib all toghether. One inhibits each other. dont have the lab tests but i dont need them. read each one. They all stimulate LH levels and HCG is LH replacement.
also im seeing users running HCG when it's not necessary either. HCG in a 500mg cycle and it's your first cycle? second cycle? and its only 12 week cycle. HCG was meant for long long cycles or users like myself that dont come off. I run 2000mg or more cycles and i dont come off. I my friends need HCG.
bottom line im saying here is more is not better. 2. break it down to basics. to many wrenches in the clock to fix it. my advice for pct. run nolva/clomid combo. hell...run nolva only or clomid only but dont run every damn pct product you can get your hands on together. I dont see it working and proof is across the boards.
you dont have a sex drive after 40 days of pct and it was your first 500mg cycle? ask your self why? maybe running 8 products together was the problem.
take my advice im seeing it happening more and more. argue with me if you want to but hey try visiting 10-15 boards and watch the PCT forums. I see it becoming an epidemic. I see it getting out of hand but hey atleast everyone is learnig to use pct now.
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