When should I start PCT?

[dabigcheese]

I have been on a cycle of Test Cyp (600 mgs a week) and Deca (500 mgs a week) for the past 8 weeks. I have gained about 20 Lbs but the gains completely stopped around week 7. In the last week I gained nothing even though I worked very hard in the gym and also consumed sufficient calories in the right proportions.

So Ive decided to end this cycle (was going to be 12 weeks but I intend to end it around week 10). And I am thinking of dropping the Deca but running the Test for the next two weeks starting tomorrow. After that I'll run PCT.

I intend to keep using Tongkat Ali pre-PCT to prevent the nuts from shrinkage. But after that, I'll run the PCT (and drop the Tongkat).

For PCT, I intend to use Clomid, Nolva and Proviron (all of which are available on short notice). Should I use L-dex instead of Proviron or does Proviron work just as well?

Secondly, when should I start the PCT - one week or two weeks after the last shot of Test? Should I run the Test for two weeks or just one week after the last shot of Deca?

I intend to try to hang on to every single pound gained (I have probably retained little water as I have been regularly using Nolva during the cycle; I am also a very hard gainer). But to achieve that I would need the get the PCT absolutely right. So need a little help here.

Thanks!

[roman1984]

i say that you should run the test two weeks past the deca and start pct 18 days after the last test shot

[ROBOCOP]

i say that you should run the test two weeks past the deca and start pct 18 days after the last test shot

Yep. Thats what im doing bro. Im on a similar cycle running test e 2 wks past deca. My pct is going to be 60mg nolva, .50mg liquidex and redkat all for around 30 days. I cant stand the vision problems associated with clomid so im giving it a miss!

[Booz]

you can run the cyp for 1 week past the deca then start your clomid 18 days after.........

[dabigcheese]

Yep. Thats what im doing bro. Im on a similar cycle running test e 2 wks past deca. My pct is going to be 60mg nolva, .50mg liquidex and redkat all for around 30 days. I cant stand the vision problems associated with clomid so im giving it a miss!

Thanks. Can I give Clomid a total pass? I was thinking of using 100 mgs a day of Clomid, 20 mgs a day of Nolva and 50 mgs a day of Proviron (then reducing the Clomid to 50 mgs a day after the second week of PCT).

Any thoughts on whether I should use Arimidex/ldex instead of Proviron? I would prefer proviron to counteract the effect of Deca dick but am open to persuasion to use Ldex instead.

[dabigcheese]

Yep. Thats what im doing bro. Im on a similar cycle running test e 2 wks past deca. My pct is going to be 60mg nolva, .50mg liquidex and redkat all for around 30 days. I cant stand the vision problems associated with clomid so im giving it a miss!

Im not sure Redkat should be used during PCT? Redkat's effect is similar to Tongkat Ali though it is not quite so strong as Tongkat. Id recommend that you run Tongkat (the 1:50 version) for two to three weeks prior to the end of your cycle and then start PCT.

Tongkat Ali is much better value for money than Redkat. I got my balls back during week 6 after just one day of Tongkat. Its almost as good as HCG.

[ROBOCOP]

Im not sure Redkat should be used during PCT? Redkat's effect is similar to Tongkat Ali though it is not quite so strong as Tongkat. Id recommend that you run Tongkat (the 1:50 version) for two to three weeks prior to the end of your cycle and then start PCT.

Tongkat Ali is much better value for money than Redkat. I got my balls back during week 6 after just one day of Tongkat. Its almost as good as HCG.

I must admit that ive never heard that you shouldnt take tongkat/redkat during pct! I guess ill check to see if this is ok.

[dabigcheese]

I must admit that ive never heard that you shouldnt take tongkat/redkat during pct! I guess ill check to see if this is ok.

Well Tongkat mimics the effects of LH (the same way as HCG does). The key to getting natural Test production back up is get the production of natural LH back up. Tongkat keeps the body's test production going by "mimicking" LH but it doesn't actually stimulate LH (and if anything, by working so effectively it actually inhibits LH). It is for the same reason that HCG should be taken before PCT not during PCT.

That's the way I understand it. I am open to being corrected if wrong.

[Jay_notellin]

Wow........................