MyogenX: use during cycle to prevent shrinkage or use for PCT?

**Sub7** · 01-09-2007, 04:17 PM

The feedback on MYOGEN has been very positive so far. It is clear that the product does raise test levels in the subjects, on this board at least. With that in mind, for someone doing a cycle, what is the best use of Myogen? Should it be used during the cycle to prevent testicular shrinkage or shoud it be used during PCT.

I have seen a lot of logs with people using it for PCT and the results are pretty good. However, if one were to use it during a cycle, would the product still work to some extent or would it have no effect on natural test productuion because there would be so many androgens in the body? I am talking a standard cycle of maybe 600 mg test per week or 75 mg TrenAce EOD with a bit of Test...

Or would it be best to use some during the cycle to prevent full shutdown and then increase the dose for PCT? If one were to use it that long, can we expect desensitization?

Finally, Anthony, what would be the ideal PCT incorporating Myogen. Should we just use your suggested PCT regimen on your web site and simply add Myogen or should one adjust the AI dose when Myogen is thrown into the mix.

Thanks a lot btw to AR for being so kind to answer all questions and provide such objective feedback on this product. I know some of these questions can only be answered via speculation at this stage but obviously the developer of the product would be the best individual to make such speculation.

Finally a request to Protein Factory: Since people have such good experiences with this product, why don;t you guys make a smaller package available. I am talking a $9.99 sachet with 15 pills or something so that when guys order some protein from your site, they can just throw this in. This would drive trial through the roof; I am sure most people here who haven't forked out the cash yet would gladly do so if they could give it a shot at $10... just an idea

**plzr8** · 01-09-2007, 06:46 PM

what do you expect from 15 pills of anything? much less a natty test booster....

pick up a bottle and give it a try if you want cheapo

**Sub7** · 01-09-2007, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by plzr8

what do you expect from 15 pills of anything? much less a natty test booster....

pick up a bottle and give it a try if you want cheapo

read the logs
almost all the users have seen a difference after 15 pills. I am not saying 15 pills will build muscle or get you down to 8% bodyfat. With 15 pills, you can at least see if the product is doing something for you and then decide if you want to buy a full bottle, that was my whole point.

Anyway, that was just a sidenote though. I am more concerned with the use of this product during/after a cycle...

**plzr8** · 01-09-2007, 07:03 PM

its seems the majority are leaning more towards pct and between cycles when 'off'....i may give it a go between cycles together with igf

**Sub7** · 01-11-2007, 10:26 AM

but where is AR himself?

comment please Sir....

**Sub7** · 01-16-2007, 02:41 PM

bumping just one more time in the hope that AR will comment...

**number twelve** · 01-16-2007, 02:58 PM

send him a pm

**spywizard** · 01-16-2007, 03:22 PM

he doesn't accept pm's..

**Sub7** · 01-31-2007, 11:36 PM

just one more bump for AR and everyone else

Can MyogenX actually raise natural T production during a cycle?

**spywizard** · 01-31-2007, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Sub7

just one more bump for AR and everyone else

Can MyogenX actually raise natural T production during a cycle?

a cycle of what?? a compound that will suppress your natural ability to produce test???

we don't know, we can speculate, and say yes, but the synthetic test will still probably cause some suppression, maybe not as much..

So I am starting a tbol/var cycle and will be adding the myogenx to the mix i know exacly how much shrinkage i get with that combo, so we will see..

Blood work would be the only way to answer your question..

**Property of Steroid.com** · 02-02-2007, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Sub7

bumping just one more time in the hope that AR will comment...

Lemme get at this one tomorrow...I don't check the PCT forum too often...

Originally Posted by spywizard

he doesn't accept pm's..

That sounds awful! Let me explain that one...I take e-mails, but with the PM thing, I have found that if people can click one button and get an answer from me, then sometimes they never even post the question. Believe it or not the "trouble" of e-mailing me (effort-wise) often makes people not bother and post the question instead...I would much rather a person gets a lot of answers, and let us all learn then just ask me...so....awhile ago I disabled PMs...

It's not some kind of stuck up "I don't want to talk to people" kind of a thing, it just kind of encourages getting multiple answers from people's time sent on this board, instead of bombing me with PMs.

Hell....people can always e-mail me links if they want, and get me involved in discussions here....

**spywizard** · 02-02-2007, 08:48 AM

and you have always been responsive...

**Property of Steroid.com** · 02-02-2007, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Sub7

The feedback on MYOGEN has been very positive so far. It is clear that the product does raise test levels in the subjects, on this board at least. With that in mind, for someone doing a cycle, what is the best use of Myogen? Should it be used during the cycle to prevent testicular shrinkage or shoud it be used during PCT.

I have seen a lot of logs with people using it for PCT and the results are pretty good. However, if one were to use it during a cycle, would the product still work to some extent or would it have no effect on natural test productuion because there would be so many androgens in the body? I am talking a standard cycle of maybe 600 mg test per week or 75 mg TrenAce EOD with a bit of Test...

Or would it be best to use some during the cycle to prevent full shutdown and then increase the dose for PCT? If one were to use it that long, can we expect desensitization?

Finally, Anthony, what would be the ideal PCT incorporating Myogen. Should we just use your suggested PCT regimen on your web site and simply add Myogen or should one adjust the AI dose when Myogen is thrown into the mix.

Thanks a lot btw to AR for being so kind to answer all questions and provide such objective feedback on this product. I know some of these questions can only be answered via speculation at this stage but obviously the developer of the product would be the best individual to make such speculation.

Finally a request to Protein Factory: Since people have such good experiences with this product, why don;t you guys make a smaller package available. I am talking a $9.99 sachet with 15 pills or something so that when guys order some protein from your site, they can just throw this in. This would drive trial through the roof; I am sure most people here who haven't forked out the cash yet would gladly do so if they could give it a shot at $10... just an idea

I think the optimal use of this product is either for someone who is natural, or for PCT...I can only imagine that staying on it all year round won't be as effective as cycling it. Optimally, I think maybe you can do short 1 week "cycles" of MyoGenX while you're on AAS (1 on, 2 off maybe), while you're on the cycle to maintain testicular size, and make recovery easier, then when you come off AAS, run the MyoGenX straight through at whatever dose your needs dictate.

Ideally, I'd like people to run MyoGenX with my reccomended PCT or some variation of it that they've found effective. If I had to replace one compound in my PCT with MyoGenX, it would probably be the HCG and Vitamin E (because that's why I included the Vitamin E in MyoGenX...it fits perfectly with My PCT). Ideally, though...I'd use my full PCT with MyoGenX and just remove the Vitamin E, because MyoGenX has that in it already.

Also, if you use IGF during your PCT, the amount of Zinc in MyoGenX will greatly increase the efficacy of that product as well (I posted that study on my Blog).

In short, I made MyoGenX god enough to be a standalone PCT if that's what people want, and synergistic enough with My PCT and other common PCT compounds that it can be useful in any PCT at all.

**Tir** · 02-02-2007, 09:10 PM

This product seems like a winner I am gonna order me a bottle.

**Sub7** · 02-09-2007, 12:01 AM

I only now saw your reply.
Thank you so much AR. Very few people in this industry -or any industry- are as helpful and considerate; many pounds of muscle has been built with your help all over the world

**Property of Steroid.com** · 02-13-2007, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Sub7

I only now saw your reply.
Thank you so much AR. Very few people in this industry -or any industry- are as helpful and considerate; many pounds of muscle has been built with your help all over the world

Anytime.