Any help with PCT for small cycle??

[ekeaz]

My second cycle I don't have much money so I'm keeping it small as possible.

I am going on a 12 week cycle and need help with some PCT.
Weeks 1-5 30mg dbol each day
Weeks 1-12 400mg test e once a week

Please help with PCT advice.

Thank you,
EKEAZ

[Kale]

Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

[ekeaz]

thank you

anyone else?

[Joe Dic]

Why the clomid with nolva? Shouldnt you just l dex and nolva during then clomid after a cycle?

ie nolva 20mg/l-dex .25mg ED during
then add 300mg clomid 2 weeks after last shot of test for days1-5 days5-12 150mg then 100mg ED

[ekeaz]

thank you too

anyone else?

[Kale]

Why the clomid with nolva? Shouldnt you just l dex and nolva during then clomid after a cycle?

ie nolva 20mg/l-dex .25mg ED during
then add 300mg clomid 2 weeks after last shot of test for days1-5 days5-12 150mg then 100mg ED

Um no........

Pheedno's PCT
My post cycle therapy consists of a three compound administration which is designed so that there is a primary and secondary LH stimulator which both are maximizing potential early in the duration; with the primary being phased out in extended protocol. With the addition of an Aromatase Inhibitor, which makes the above possible, the individual will also endure less of an increase in Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, which allows free testosterone levels to reach base line at a much quicker pace. The individual will also see less of a problem in most cases with sexual libido as the bounding SHBG is controlled(to an extent). Below you will find my suggested bare minimum, as well as a sample of an extended protocol. Extended PCT protcol is cycle length dependant so the below is not the standard for all cycles


PCT for cycles 8-16wks:
Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

Extended protocol sample for a 12+ month cycle:
Day 1-15_ .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
Day 16-45_.25mg L-dex + 75mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
Day 46-65_.25mg L-dex + 20mg Nolva
Day 66-80_.25mg L-dex

Now IMO, selective estrogen receptor modulators(SERMs) such as Clomiphine and Tamoxifen are selective to which tissues they bind too. Clomid being selective to the suprapituitary, while Tamox is selective to breast, bone, and liver ERs. I've come to this conclusion based on the comparison of studies on both SERMs. In every study showing benefit to HPTA from tamoxifin, the duration of the administration is 3-12months(This includes studies cited by William Llewellyn in his Nolva vs Clomid article). In studies showing levels of LH, FSH, and Testosterone checked after short durations of tamox, they were either insignificant, or their was an actual drop. I believe this is because tamox selectively works at the mammery(as well as bone and liver), thus taking longer for LH stimulation to occur.
With clomid, benefit to gonadotrophin concentrations, LH, FSH, and serum testosterone can be seen in short periods of 2-6wks. Because of the apparent selective nature of the two, and given our usual PCT duration, clomid is by far superior at LH stimulation than Nolva. Now both is the wise choice for a couple of reasons:

1. Nolva acts as the preventive measure to the estrogen flux
occured PC while clomid is the primary LH stimulator(Even more so in the case an AI is not used).
2. If your running a longer PCT, clomid needs to be discontinued after a while as it has been shown to desensitize GnRH, this due, IMO, to it's selective nature to the suprapituitary. In the longer forms of PCT, the clomid will be phased out, leaving Nolva and L-dex

Arimidex(or L-dex)
Estrogen is the main inhibitence of restoring HPTA, and AI administration has been shown to increase gonadotrophin concentrations and serum Testosterone by up to 50%. In addition, by adding L-dex, the inhibitence of excess estrogen allows Tamox to work greater at LH stimulation in the begining stages of PCT, since the need to prevent binding in the mammery is lessened by the reduction in estrogen biosynthesis

[Joe Dic]

im not sure i came across right or am completely wrong i mean all 3 as pct but nolva and dex during cycle as well....or have i misread yours as It seemed the first post suggested clomid during or am i just not reading it right

[Kale]

No need for Nolv and dex during cycel. Adex on its own is the way to go at 0.25mg ED

[Joe Dic]

sorry if this is hijacking thread but wont nolva reduce water reten. and chance of gyno..

[ekeaz]

sorry if this is hijacking thread but wont nolva reduce water reten. and chance of gyno..

Yea that is what Nolva does.

[Kale]

Yea that is what Nolva does.

Adex is a million times better at doing both

[ekeaz]

Adex is a million times better at doing both

The cost of it (Adex) is kind of hefty don't you think? Remember I told you I was trying to keep it as cheap as possible because I don't have a lot of money to spend on AAS.