PCT side effects

[DaIllstPlaya]

*sigh*

its like i never learn enough, everytime i log on, i read something new

there was a post on one of my threads "How important IS PCT" and one guy commented that he stopped halfway with his PCT because his clomid was messing with his vision

wtf?! that can happen?! i own my own business, i meet with customers everyday, its my job, its my duty, if i dont, my business wont function, and then i wont have money to live, i cant be feeling drowsy, sick, light headed, or blurred vision, ill crash and die if that happens!! i get at least 9hrs of sleep everyday so i can function properly at work, so these side effects would be very life threatening if that were the case

so NOW i post this thread for 2 purposes

1. What are the OFFICIAL side effects of PCT
for example: Clomid and Nolva

2. What are the side effects YOU GUYS have experienced?

Since all of us are different, i would like for you guys to share your experiences and lets see how it differs or how it may be similar between us all

State what PCT you used and for how long and how it affected you

and of course as always guys, thank you very much for all your info!!

[lilripped]

clomid/nolva stack for 30 days. 100mgs clomid ed, 20mgs nolva ed. Experienced a bit of acne on my back and a little more emotional than usual which I attribute to the clomid. Other than that I have had no problems.

[DaIllstPlaya]

haha more emotional

ok thats good, waht about any acne on the face? how about your vision? were you more fatigued? did you get drowsy? were you still able to go to work/school fine?

[dece870717]

Replace the Clomid with Myogenx, works just as good and no sides.

[lousygenes]

I'm not familiar with myogenx, so I'll have to research it a bit before commenting.

As for clomid, it is old school. When I started cycling, it was THE PCT of choice. There was also a recommendation to use it during cycle; I did that. I ended up permanently damaging my vision - 20/20 to 20/35. You do NOT want to run clomid for an extended period of time. In fact, since nolvadex works as well as clomid, I'm now in the nolva camp. Again, I'll have to check out myogenx.

[NightWolf]

Just use Nolva instead of clomid.. it does not have the vision side effect and IMO works better then clomid.

[BITTAPART2]

bro these sides arent going to hinder your success at work. the vision thing isnt like your blond but then again i hate clomid so i dont reccomend it anymore. one serm and one AI is all you need like nolva/arimidex together. Cholesterol will probably rise a bit and you may see some blemishes on skin but sides of most PCTs arent too extreme IMHO... big bump for the myogenx, this product works VERY well for PCT

[DaIllstPlaya]

myogenx?!?!

so now no more clomid, use nolva and myogenx?

[Rippedcanuck]

Myogenx is not that good guys....... It will not work better than nolvadex or clomid. For me the only side I get during PCT is total loss of libido, after I discontinue the drugs it comes back

[BITTAPART2]

^^^^ dude i read your last post about it not working for you, very strange that everyone i know taking it reports the same exact thing. Dont use myogenx thinking it will add 200lbs to your bench or have you gaining 2 lbs a week of lean muscle whilst dropping bf, it is not a steroid. If your tellingme your balls arent a lot fuller and libido higher I have to call BS.

[testisbest]

nolva, ameridex, and myogenx for me and I feel great. Just run the myogenx at 6 caps per day for the first week or two then taper down.

[DaIllstPlaya]

ok... so now NO myogenx?

go BACK to the clomid?

[DaIllstPlaya]

anyone?

[DaIllstPlaya]

Clomid: Patient EducationGeneric Name: clomiphene Pronounced: KLOE mih feen Brand Names: Clomid, Serophene What is the most important information I should know about clomiphene?
Use caution when driving, operating machinery, or performing other hazardous activities. Clomiphene may cause blurred vision or other visual side effects during or shortly after therapy. Notify your doctor immediately if you develop any visual side effects and use caution when performing hazardous activities, especially under conditions of variable lighting.
Clomiphene may increase the likelihood of multiple births. Multiple births may carry additional risk both for the mother and for the fetuses.

What is clomiphene?Clomiphene stimulates the release of hormones necessary for ovulation to occur.
Clomiphene is used to stimulate ovulation (the release of an egg) when a woman's ovaries can produce a follicle but hormonal stimulation is deficient.
Clomiphene may also be used for purposes other than those listed in this medication guide.
Who should not take clomiphene?
Do not take clomiphene without first talking to your doctor if you
might be pregnant; have a thyroid problem or another endocrine disorder; have undiagnosed vaginal bleeding; have endometriosis or endometrial carcinoma; have uterine fibroids; have liver disease; have ovarian cysts or ovarian enlargement not due to polycystic ovarian syndrome; or have any other serious or chronic medical illness. You may not be able to take clomiphene, or you may require a lower dose or special monitoring if you have any of the conditions listed above.
Do not take clomiphene if you are pregnant. Clomiphene is in the FDA pregnancy category X. This means that it is known to cause birth defects.
It is not known whether clomiphene pass into breast milk. Do not take clomiphene without first talking to your doctor if you are breast-feeding a baby.

How should I take clomiphene?
Use clomiphene exactly as directed by your doctor. If you do not understand these directions, ask your doctor, nurse, or pharmacist to explain them to you.
Take each dose with a full glass of water.
Clomiphene is usually taken in 5 day cycles. Follow your doctor's instructions.
Store clomiphene at room temperature, away from direct light, moisture, and heat.

What happens if I miss a dose?Contact your doctor if you miss a dose of clomiphene.
What happens if I overdose?
Seek emergency medical attention.
Symptoms of a clomiphene overdose include nausea, vomiting, flushing, blurred vision, visual spots or flashes, and abdominal pain.

What should I avoid while taking clomiphene?Use caution when driving, operating machinery, or performing other hazardous activities. Clomiphene may cause blurred vision or other visual side effects during or shortly after therapy. Notify your doctor immediately if you develop any visual side effects and use caution when performing hazardous activities, especially under conditions of variable lighting.
What are the possible side effects of clomiphene?
Stop taking clomiphene and seek emergency medical attention if you experience an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of your throat; swelling of your lips, tongue, or face; or hives).
The ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome (OHSS) has been reported to occur in patients receiving clomiphene. Symptoms of OHSS include swelling of the hands or legs, abdominal pain and swelling, shortness of breath, weight gain, and nausea or vomiting. OHSS can be fatal. Notify your doctor immediately or seek emergency medical attention if you develop any of these side effects.
Other side effects may also occur. Notify your doctor if you experience
ovarian enlargement presenting as abdominal or pelvic pain, tenderness, pressure, or swelling; flushing; nausea, vomiting, or diarrhea; breast tenderness or discomfort; blurred vision or other visual disturbances; headache; or abnormal uterine bleeding. Clomiphene may increase the likelihood of multiple births. Multiple births may carry additional risk both for the mother and for the fetuses.
Side effects other than those listed here may also occur. Talk to your doctor about any side effect that seems unusual or that is especially bothersome.

[DaIllstPlaya]

Clomid® (clomiphene citrate)


Quick overview:


Active Life: 5-7 days
Drug Class: Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (Oral)
Average Dose: Men 50-100 mg/day
Acne: Yes
Water Retention: No
High Blood Pressure: Rare
Liver Toxic: Low
Aromatization: None
Decrease HPTA function: No, used to restore it
Strong gonadotropin stimulator/mild anti-estrogen


Clomid® is the commonly referenced brand name for the drug clomiphene citrate. It is not an anabolic steroid, but a prescription drug generally prescribed to women as a fertility aid. This is due to the fact that clomiphene citrate shows a pronounced ability to stimulate ovulation. This is accomplished by blocking/minimizing the effects of estrogen in the body. To be more specific Clomid is chemically a synthetic estrogen with both agonist/antagonist properties, and is very similar in structure and action to Nolvadex. In certain target tissues it can block the ability of estrogen to bind with its corresponding receptor. Its clinical use is therefore to oppose the negative feedback of estrogens on the hypothalamic-pituitary-ovarian axis, which enhances the release of LH and FSH. This of course can help to induce ovulation.

For athletic purposes, Clomid does not offer a tremendous benefit to women. In men however, the elevation in both follicle stimulating hormone and (primarily) luteinizing hormone will cause natural testosterone production to increase. This effect is especially beneficial to the athlete at the conclusion of a steroid cycle when endogenous testosterone levels are depressed. If endogenous testosterone levels are not brought beck to normal, a dramatic loss in size and strength is likely to occur once the anabolics have been removed. This is due to the fact that without testosterone (or other androgens), the catabolic hormone cortisol becomes the dominant force affecting muscle protein synthesis (quickly bringing about a catabolic metabolism). Often referred to as the post-steroid crash, it can quickly eat up much of your newly acquired muscle. Clomid can play a crucial role in preventing this crash in athletic performance. As for women, the only real use for Clomid is the possible management of endogenous estrogen levels near contest time. This can increase fat loss and muscularity, particularly in female trouble areas such as this hips and thighs. Clomid however often produces troubling side effects in women (discussed below), and is likewise not in very high demand among this group of athletes.

Male users generally find that a daily intake of 50-100 mg (1-2 tablets) over a four to six week period will bring testosterone production back to an acceptable level. A very common regime of dosing is; 300 md/day 1, 100 mg/day for days 2-11, and 50 mg/day for days 12-21. This raise in testosterone should occur slowly but evenly throughout the period of intake. Since an immediate boost in testosterone is often desirable, many prefer to combine Clomid with HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) for the first week or two after the steroids have been removed. The kick-start from HCG also helps to restore the normal ability for the testes to respond to endogenous LH, which may be hindered for some time after the cycle is ended due to a prolonged state of inactivity. Once the HCG is stopped, the user continues treatment with Clomid alone. HCG should not be used for longer than two or three weeks though, as the resulting increased testosterone and estrogen levels may again initiate negative feedback inhibition at the hypothalamus. When planning your ancillary drug program, it is also important to remember that injectable steroids can stay active for a long duration. Using ancillary drugs the first week after a long acting injectable like Sustanon has been stopped may prove to be wholly ineffective. Instead, the athlete should wait for two to three weeks, to a point where androgen levels will be diminishing. Here the body will be primed and ready to restore testosterone production.

Clomid and HCG are also occasionally used periodically during a steroid cycle, in an effort to prevent natural testosterone levels from diminishing. In many instances this practice can prove difficult however, especially when using strong androgens for longer periods of time. There is also no exact method for using the two drugs in this manner. Some have experimented by periodically administering small doses of HCG along with one or two tablets of Clomid, perhaps for a few days at a stretch followed by a longer break. An on/off schedule would be implemented; for fear that this combination may lose some effectiveness if used continuously for this purpose. This method of intake may prove to be effective, although it is really much more feasible to stimulate testosterone production after the cycle than to try and maintain it for the long duration during.

In addition to helping with the post-cycle testosterone crash, this drug can also help with elevated estrogen levels during a steroid cycle. A high estrogen bevel puts an athlete in serious risk of developing gynecomastia, which is an obvious unwanted side effect. With the intake of Clomid, the athlete can hopefully reduce his risk for developing gynecomastia. The estrogen "blocking" properties of Clomid appear to be slightly weaker than Nolvadex in comparison however, which is why it is not usually thought of as an equal substitute for estrogen maintenance. Of course both drugs have similar actions in the body. and are relatively interchangeable for this purpose. Clomid can likewise also be used as a maintenance anti-estrogen throughout the duration of steroid cycle with good confidence, just as is done with Nolvadex. In most instances this will prove equally sufficient, the drug effectively minimizing the activity of estrogen in the body and warding off gyno and excess water/fat retention. Unfortunately just as with Nolvadex this is not always the case however, and many find it necessary to addition another anti-estrogenic drug. The most common adjunct is Proviron, an oral DHT used to competitively lower aromatase activity and raise the androgen to estrogen ratio. The Clomid/Nolvadex and Proviron combination is extremely effective, although we could alternately replace them both with a more specific aromatase inhibitor such as Arimidex,Femara, or Aromasin. While stronger at combating estrogen in most cases, these drugs are also typically much more costly.

As for toxicity and side effects, Clomid is considered a very safe drug. Bodybuilders seldom report any problems, but listed possible side effects do include hot flashes, nausea, dizziness, headaches and temporarily blurred vision. Such side effects usually only appear in females however, as they feel the effects of estrogen manipulation much more readily than men. While female athletes can clearly gain some benefit from this substance, estrogen manipulation is probably not the most comfortable way to go about cutting up. Should it still be used for such purposed and side effects do become pronounced, the drug of course is to be discontinued and (at least) a break taken from it.

Clomiphene citrate is widely available on the black market in a variety of brand names as well as generic tabs and liquid versions.

[DaIllstPlaya]

nothing?

[lanky]

guy listen to what the people are saying and stop freaking out

clomid has been known to cause vision problems if used at too high a dose or for too long of a duration....so fvck the clomid and go with the ai/serm of nolva/arimidex like bittapart2 said

and also i can tell you myogenx is about $31 and it is well worth the money, ive been taking it not for pct, but just to experiment and my balls are the size of baseballs and im shootin loads across the room....ok well that may be an exageration but seriously my balls r bigger and im blowin bigger loads

anybody who complains about the myogenx is simply complaining because they want it to be "the miracle supplement" that all lazy people have been searching for

good luck, do your pct, i promise you the sides will be worse if you dont

[DaIllstPlaya]

myogenx??? better than clomid??

[Rippedcanuck]

^^^^ dude i read your last post about it not working for you, very strange that everyone i know taking it reports the same exact thing. Dont use myogenx thinking it will add 200lbs to your bench or have you gaining 2 lbs a week of lean muscle whilst dropping bf, it is not a steroid. If your tellingme your balls arent a lot fuller and libido higher I have to call BS.

Did I say I expected to add 200lbs to my bench or that I thought it would give me weight gains??? NO I ****ing didnt so dont put words in my mouth. Why would I BS about it not working for me? What do I have to gain by saying that? I was just offering my opinion, different things work differently from person to person.

[testisbest]

myogenx??? better than clomid??

For me, yes. Every one is different.

[DaIllstPlaya]

wow..... you know ive never heard of mygonex before until this thread.....

guess ill make a thread for mygonex and see how it worked out for people

[Mighty Joe]

I hate clomid.......nuff said

[randy6969]

your should get some aromasin, with nolva... that should do the trick with no sides or minimal atleast.

[DaIllstPlaya]

wow!! you HATE clomid?!?!

why do you hate it?

[chest6]

Its all personal experience.

Try it out...see how you like it.

[lilripped]

I'm not familiar with myogenx, so I'll have to research it a bit before commenting.

As for clomid, it is old school. When I started cycling, it was THE PCT of choice. There was also a recommendation to use it during cycle; I did that. I ended up permanently damaging my vision - 20/20 to 20/35. You do NOT want to run clomid for an extended period of time. In fact, since nolvadex works as well as clomid, I'm now in the nolva camp. Again, I'll have to check out myogenx.

I recommend nolva as well. Have used both, and am trying hcg with nolva now. I will let you know how it goes. PCT looks like this:

started nolva and hcg 1 week after last test e shot.

250iu HCG day for 18 days
20mgs nolva day until 4 weeks after last hcg shot
1000mgs vitamin e day

[Rebel Yell]

Everyone's different, but I tried it a few times and same results.
Clomid made me super-depressed. Really screwed me up.
So Nolva and Proviron was the option.

[DaIllstPlaya]

So i guess aromasin is the better anti e than clomid huh?