HCG (Pregnyl) FAQ

[smokethedays]

There's tons of information out there regarding hcg use during a cycle. Many of them by folks like Anthony Roberts who has written countless books/articles on steroids, including different types of PCT protocols. Dude, do some research.

As for the amount of hcg i stated, yes it's low. It's because it's just enough to keep your nuts from shuttin down during a cycle. That's it's primary purpose during a cycle, so very little is used. If you choose to do it near the end of the cycle, yes, you need larger doses, because at that point, the purpose is to get them back up to normal size since they've atrophied (assuming cycles 12+ weeks). So ofcourse it makes sense to use larger doses, duh.

Doses any higher than 1000IUs per week during a cycle might desensitize the leydig cells.

Keeping your nuts they're regular size or close to will certainly reduce PCT, don't you think? I've also read a few articles on on folks that have used hcg during a cycle of Test/Deca; the most feared "Deca Dick", and they didn't have any problems at all down there; no loss of libido at all.

You may continue to call it BS. That's fine. If you're happy with doing things the way you're doing them now, hey, if that works for you, then great, but don't down play new protocols that gain popularity, because you wanna keep it "old school".

In all honesty, i'm simply relaying tons of research i've done on my own from countless resources regarding hcg and it's usages during or after a cycle. I haven't actually done it myself during a cycle, but i'm certainly going to on my next cycle.

If that dude up there is your research source, then that is where u messed up.

he said Anthony Roberts.
And u telling ME to go do some research?!!!

[fightnews]

There's tons of information out there regarding hcg use during a cycle. Many of them by folks like Anthony Roberts who has written countless books/articles on steroids, including different types of PCT protocols. Dude, do some research.

As for the amount of hcg i stated, yes it's low. It's because it's just enough to keep your nuts from shuttin down during a cycle. That's it's primary purpose during a cycle, so very little is used. If you choose to do it near the end of the cycle, yes, you need larger doses, because at that point, the purpose is to get them back up to normal size since they've atrophied (assuming cycles 12+ weeks). So ofcourse it makes sense to use larger doses, duh.

Doses any higher than 1000IUs per week during a cycle might desensitize the leydig cells.

Keeping your nuts they're regular size or close to will certainly reduce PCT, don't you think? I've also read a few articles on on folks that have used hcg during a cycle of Test/Deca; the most feared "Deca Dick", and they didn't have any problems at all down there; no loss of libido at all.

You may continue to call it BS. That's fine. If you're happy with doing things the way you're doing them now, hey, if that works for you, then great, but don't down play new protocols that gain popularity, because you wanna keep it "old school".

In all honesty, i'm simply relaying tons of research i've done on my own from countless resources regarding hcg and it's usages during or after a cycle. I haven't actually done it myself during a cycle, but i'm certainly going to on my next cycle.

I'm sorry but reading forums is not "Research". Research involves studying FACTS. Not reading every idiots theories and every wanna be guru's bull crap online. There are plenty of people out there who think Anthony Roberts is a fraud. He's not a doctor and he hasn't run clinical trials on all his so called protocols.

Nothing against him personally. Same goes for all the other internet gurus, Never mind the online every man that goes around all the forums repeating their ideas like they were peer reviewed facts. Then getting half the stuff wrong and misinterpreted plus lost in translation. There is decent info out there but remember even the good info is mostly unproven. Then the other 99% is nonsense.

[devil-1986]

Where do you guys get this BS from?!
Shut down=No Testosterone production. The only way you keep Testosterone production is by staying on HCG ALL ALONG the cycle which is extremely stupid.

Once your Testicals detects higher Androgen levels it will shut down, so HCG won't do anything to help you.

The only use for HCG 'during' a cycle is to GET OFF completely, go on HCG for 3 weeks then back on cycle which is called 'BRIDGING' and that is an old school tecknique and no longer used, cause its useless.

HCG must be used after cutting off the cycle for REAL benefits.
Oh by the way, I don't a single REAL body builder who uses HCG at 500 IU.
common dose is 1500 IU up to 2500 IU every 4th day.

hi bro , my pct plan for my 6-8 weeks of test p 50-100 mg/ml eod is because tesp p is a short ester then wait 3 days after my last injection and start hcg at dose of 5000 iu every 4 days for 2 weeks with arimidex or letro during this period then going for pct which include clomid @ 75/50/50/50 and nolva @ 40/20/20/20 tell me what do u thing ? is this good plan for my cycle or not ? thank u

[Back In Black]

hi bro , my pct plan for my 6-8 weeks of test p 50-100 mg/ml eod is because tesp p is a short ester then wait 3 days after my last injection and start hcg at dose of 5000 iu every 4 days for 2 weeks with arimidex or letro during this period then going for pct which include clomid @ 75/50/50/50 and nolva @ 40/20/20/20 tell me what do u thing ? is this good plan for my cycle or not ? thank u

You should run your Hcg on cycle not after

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

[dannydxd]

who said that you can run HCG while on cycle.
there is absolutely no pint of do that. as long as you tests see a high level ot testosterone or androgen in ur blood stream, it will go back to sleep, so wt's the point?!! gettin' bigger balls while on cycle for few days?

hcg mimics LH. Since you have exogenous Test in your system, your nuts will shut down because lutenizing hormone will stop gettin produced which is the hormone that keeps your nuts producing Test. So using hcg during cycle will mimic LH, in effect, your normal test production will continue as if you weren't injecting Test. No you won't get bigger balls, they just won't shut down. The benefits here is cutting PCT in half since you don't have to bring your nuts back up to size after your cycle. Secondly, no loss of libido unless not having sex for a long time is not a big deal for you. There are a few other benefits. Research the stuff bro'. Seems like you're happy just the way you're using it. They say if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but what if something can be improved?

[smokethedays]

hcg mimics LH. Since you have exogenous Test in your system, your nuts will shut down because lutenizing hormone will stop gettin produced which is the hormone that keeps your nuts producing Test. So using hcg during cycle will mimic LH, in effect, your normal test production will continue as if you weren't injecting Test. No you won't get bigger balls, they just won't shut down. The benefits here is cutting PCT in half since you don't have to bring your nuts back up to size after your cycle. Secondly, no loss of libido unless not having sex for a long time is not a big deal for you. There are a few other benefits. Research the stuff bro'. Seems like you're happy just the way you're using it. They say if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but what if something can be improved?

where do u find these info at?
DUDE, HCG will work for 4-5 days then wt? u'll stay on it for 2-3 weeks max and then wt? get off, right?
If your cycle is 18 weeks and you wanna use HCG weeks 11-14 lets say. so u saved 3 weeks worth of natty Test?!!
If you were to take it right after the half life (during the androgen levels drop down) then ur benefit is greater smart ass.

[smokethedays]

HCG is best ran 1-2 days after the half life of the Steroid.

[Jumbo18]

10)How much Hcg is needed during cycle and/or pct?
An anti-estrogen (Nolva, etc.) is to be used with hcg during your last 4 weeks of cycle.

It is said there, what is it meant by this statement?

[smokethedays]

Or I tell u better, post ur pix lets see your RESEARCH results.

[smokethedays]

Before I log off, id like ur smart ass to know something.
Most of the horse shit u RESEARCH on the internet or find here and there is usually BS. Pro BB-ers and elite Athletes and hardcore AAS users don't reveal the real info. wt you are finding is bunch of reality flakes, thats all.
For real, no jokes. Dealing with national and int'l BB-ers recently taught me so much shit u won't find in any book or website.

[dannydxd]

Before I log off, id like ur smart ass to know something.
Most of the horse shit u RESEARCH on the internet or find here and there is usually BS. Pro BB-ers and elite Athletes and hardcore AAS users don't reveal the real info. wt you are finding is bunch of reality flakes, thats all.
For real, no jokes. Dealing with national and int'l BB-ers recently taught me so much shit u won't find in any book or website.

You say that real bodybuilder's don't reveal there information. I'm not sure what you mean by what a real bodybuilder is. Would that be you? You seem to come off like you're one. If you are, perhaps you're Jay Cutler under disguise. After all, real BBers wouldn't reveal their real pro status name. WTF are you doing here? This is a discussion forum. The point being, we're here to share information; to help people who are looking for information; some even in their qwest for pro bodybuilding, i would think. I guess according to you. This could never happen eh? So come on pro bodybuilder. Don't be so tight with your information. Share! Why else is the point of you being here? To tell everybody that they're wrong, but not back it up with your "pro bodybuilding" secret information and other scientific research? Please. Tell Ronnie i said hi. Unless you are Mr. Coleman.

Touche on Anthony Roberts. You're right, bad example, but still, like i said, i've done plenty of research across the internet and possible steroid forums. You seemed to miss that point, but bash Anthony as my only source of information. Whatever.

So dude. Help us out. I'd like to see where you got your resources from that hcg during a cycle is in FACT, bad. All the research i've done leans towards doing hcg during a cycle. I'd rather see more helpful information from you instead of "real pro bodybuilders don't let out they're secrets." Come on bro'. Really... is that all you're going to tell us? Perhaps you really don't know shit.

Post my pics up? C'mon. That doesn't prove shit. I've gotten my information from across the internet on folks that are much much larger than you, so shut up. Asking for my pics is like asking for theirs.

Look. I'm not here to argue with you. I'm hear to learn, and so far you haven't taught me shit. Try being collaborative for a change, rather than responding with an unhelpful "Where you guys get this BS?", or "Post your pics up for your research". Bro', help us, or get the hell out of this forum.

[smokethedays]

You say that real bodybuilder's don't reveal there information. I'm not sure what you mean by what a real bodybuilder is. Would that be you? You seem to come off like you're one. If you are, perhaps you're Jay Cutler under disguise. After all, real BBers wouldn't reveal their real pro status name. WTF are you doing here? This is a discussion forum. The point being, we're here to share information; to help people who are looking for information; some even in their qwest for pro bodybuilding, i would think. I guess according to you. This could never happen eh? So come on pro bodybuilder. Don't be so tight with your information. Share! Why else is the point of you being here? To tell everybody that they're wrong, but not back it up with your "pro bodybuilding" secret information and other scientific research? Please. Tell Ronnie i said hi. Unless you are Mr. Coleman.

Touche on Anthony Roberts. You're right, bad example, but still, like i said, i've done plenty of research across the internet and possible steroid forums. You seemed to miss that point, but bash Anthony as my only source of information. Whatever.

So dude. Help us out. I'd like to see where you got your resources from that hcg during a cycle is in FACT, bad. All the research i've done leans towards doing hcg during a cycle. I'd rather see more helpful information from you instead of "real pro bodybuilders don't let out they're secrets." Come on bro'. Really... is that all you're going to tell us? Perhaps you really don't know shit.

Post my pics up? C'mon. That doesn't prove shit. I've gotten my information from across the internet on folks that are much much larger than you, so shut up. Asking for my pics is like asking for theirs.

Look. I'm not here to argue with you. I'm hear to learn, and so far you haven't taught me shit. Try being collaborative for a change, rather than responding with an unhelpful "Where you guys get this BS?", or "Post your pics up for your research". Bro', help us, or get the hell out of this forum.

listen ass hole, u can search this website and see how many ppl did i help with info u need a life time to understand.
so let me get ur ass straightened here cause u've got a big mouth.

I didnt say shit about my self being a pro-BB-er I said that BB-ers don't reveal their real info most of the time onthe internet (where u research u garbage at).
I didnot refer to my self at all, u pretty much need an English comprehension class.
2nd, px don't prove shit?!!!!!!!1 then wt proves it? ur un-backed up bull shit? at least my image stands behind my ideas to support it, if i were to say do such and such u'll get this much muscle, well if i am a 175 lbs like dumbass then ppl would laugh at me sayin' then y don't u have the much muscle on u.
so i guess it does prove and it is the HARDEST prove.

Please post ur pix, let me laugh a little. dumb fvck newbi

[dannydxd]

listen ass hole, u can search this website and see how many ppl did i help with info u need a life time to understand.
so let me get ur ass straightened here cause u've got a big mouth.

I didnt say shit about my self being a pro-BB-er I said that BB-ers don't reveal their real info most of the time onthe internet (where u research u garbage at).
I didnot refer to my self at all, u pretty much need an English comprehension class.
2nd, px don't prove shit?!!!!!!!1 then wt proves it? ur un-backed up bull shit? at least my image stands behind my ideas to support it, if i were to say do such and such u'll get this much muscle, well if i am a 175 lbs like dumbass then ppl would laugh at me sayin' then y don't u have the much muscle on u.
so i guess it does prove and it is the HARDEST prove.

Please post ur pix, let me laugh a little. dumb fvck newbi

Wow. You got a lot of anger in you, eh? Too many people step on your face? Not surprising. Talking to you is like talking to a wall. Settle down there buddy. I thought roid rage was a myth. LOL.

[smokethedays]

Wow. You got a lot of anger in you, eh? Too many people step on your face? Not surprising. Talking to you is like talking to a wall. Settle down there buddy. I thought roid rage was a myth. LOL.

Well, when ignorants like ur self try to argue shit they don't know which they the learnd of the INTERNET, it is pretty annoying.
I argue of SOLID ground. shit that I tried my self for years. so piss off and go research how to be a bit smart maybe this time ur research will do.

[smokethedays]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...nthony+roberts
Check out ur hero
That guy was cutting pasting shit and claiming its his dude. He must be proud of a good student like u, great job cutting and pasting up there as well.

[smokethedays]

And that what gives me the right to SAY not judge that you are an idiot and ignorant of what you are talkin' about. Info with nothing, ABSOLUTLEY nothin' to back it up, except I researched the internet and Anthony Roberts

[living2die]

what happens if the hcg foams? does it lose potency/stability and the like and rendered useless? have had personal experiences with hcg foaming over and definatly seemed to be a weak batch...but it would be nice to have some scientific evidence to support my anecdotal report...

[WARMachine]

"If you do hCG during the cycle, you don’t use it for PCT.

100iu/ED is not really the most desirable use of hCG. Short, intermittent spikes of hCG a couple times a week is ideal. The testes stay most responsive this way."


And btw Dono, 500IU's ED is entirely too much.

[smokethedays]

HCG every day??!!

[lovex]

thanks bro great info

[ma3adi_Darkman]

I finish now my 1st cycle test enth 9 weeks 500mg per week and dbol for 6 Weeks 30 mg per day , i was planing to take for pct clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20 after 14 days from my last shot .But my trainer wanna me To take hcg 500 unit every day for 20 days .After my last shot of test (he Dont wanna me to wait until the half life of test finish). and wanna me to take Also clomid 100/50/50/50 any suggestion pls because am so confused about these pct

[bogdan84uzy]

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I'm a miserable spammer, ignore the urge to hurt me please and just ignore my posts.

Ok, just for you.

[pepous]

Remember: Store hcg at controlled room temperature (59° to 86°F)(15° to 30°C). After reconstituting store in refrigerator (36° to 46°F) (2° to 8°C).

In information leaflet is STORE in 2°C-15°

What is true?

[c-Z]

This is a good post! thanks bro.

[LIONKING123]

Did a 8 week course of Testex and dec. Finished 3 weeks ago

Using Nolva 20mg for PCT. My gonads are still shrunk though.

Should i add some HCG for a week to kickstart gonads or will Nolva do this anyway?

[JHeisman1]

I've read that if it doesnt stay cool and gets warm, then the HCG will denature and thus, not work. Shouldnt be stored at room temperature unless the vials haven't been mixed yet. Once mixed, it must be either injected or put in the fridge. Also, once mixed its only good for about a week at the listed dose [even in the fridge]. After 1 week the it will lose some of its effectiveness/concentration as it will degrade/denature and therefore lose potency.

Great post!

[bogdan84uzy]

Also, once mixed its only good for about a week at the listed dose [even in the fridge]. After 1 week the it will lose some of its effectiveness/concentration as it will degrade/denature and therefore lose potency.

5 days,not 1week!!

[match36]

Note: I got this FAQ from a different board, only Q#6,7,9,10,11 were added and written by me x_moe and few others that were edited to give you more info., hope you find this helpful.


1)What is HCG?
Hcg stands for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin.

2)Where does hcg come from?
It is extracted from the urine of pregnant women.

3)Is hcg a scheduled medication?
No, its similar to clomid and liquidex as far as US laws go. However you would need a prescription to purchase legally in the US.

4)What is hcg normally used for?
It is used to help females get pregnant, and can be used to stimulate testosterone production in males.

5)How does hcg work?
Hcg mimics LH(leutenizing hormone). The presence of LH causes the Leydig cells in the gonads to produce testosterone. This effect also restores the size of the testes rather quickly if they were suppressed from a cycle.

6)What should hcg be used for?
Hcg is commonly used by bodybuilders on either very heavy or very long cycles, when the hpta gets severely suppressed. Although hcg can be used in almost any cycle, the benefits are most pronounced on heavy/long ones.

7)How do you take it?
You can take it IM or Sub-q.

8)Can I use hcg only for Pct?
No you shouldn't. It is better than nothing, but clomid or nolva are far better plans. Since hcg mimics lh, your body wont begin producing its own lh, as it sees no need to because test levels are high. You stop the hcg, your balls stop making test until your body begins producing adequate levels of its own lh, and that may take a while if you don't use clomid or nolvadex to stimulate lh production. The use of Clomid or Nolvadex should also be continued at least 2 weeks after hcg is discontinued to avoid the hcg causing problems.

9)Can I use hcg during cycle and when?
Yes you can, imo to best benefit from Hcg is to run it by the last 3-4 weeks of your steroid cycle. Do not run hcg if your getting signs of gyno, hcg will make it worst, so becarful.

10)How much Hcg is needed during cycle and/or pct?
For pct a minimum of 10,000iu's hcg is needed. When you have a proper pct planned with a serm and an AI, and you want to run hcg during the last 4 weeks of your cycle, then you might only need 5,000iu's.
An anti-estrogen (Nolva, etc.) is to be used with hcg during your last 4 weeks of cycle.

11)What dose do you run hcg at?
Hcg is best dosed at 500iu and/or 1000iu, more than that can cause too much aromatization, and some people wont react to less than 500iu. So during the last 4 weeks of a cycle, you shoot 500iu of hcg twice a week or 1000iu once a week. For pct, 500iu ed or 1000iu eod.

12)Can hcg be used w/out steroids to boost test production above baseline?
Yes. It is not recommended however. Continued use of hcg will desensitize the leydig cells to lh, meaning once you stop using the hcg as an artificial lh, you will crash bad. The natural lh production once restored by using nolvadex or clomid, may not be as effective as it once was. To boost natural test above baseline, anastrozole, nolvadex and clomid are better choices.


13)How long does hcg boost testosterone for?
Hcg can boost testosterone for up to 5 days following the last dose, although the drugs halflife is very short, and its no longer active at that point.

14)Can hcg cause gyno?
Yes. Estrogen is elevated by two ways from hcg use. Primarily from the sharp rise in testosterone, which allows more testosterone to aromatize to estrogen. Secondly hcg can cause a small amount of estrogen to be produced which is not from the result of aromatizing, and this is the reason that a combination of an anti aromatize such as liquidex/arimidex/letrozole and a estrogen receptor blocker such as nolvadex are ideally used. The nolvadex may also offer some additional benefit to help avoid a negative estrogen feedback to the hpta during hcg therapy, which would otherwise slightly lessen the effectiveness of the therapy.

15)How does hcg come packaged?
You get 2 vials or amps, 1 has the powdered hcg in it, and the other has a diluent in it(solvent). The diluent is typically bacteriostatic water, or sterile water w/ .09% sodium chloride. ***ending on the brand and version, the package commonly comes w/ enough diluent to make concentrations ranging from 250-10,000iu per ml.

If your package is 5000iu, and you add 1ml diluent, you have 5000iu per ml.
If you add 5ml diluent, you final mix is then 1000iu per ml.
If you add 10ml diluent, then 500iu per ml and so on.

This is simple math, and you don't wanna screw it up, know what dose you are taking!

If your package doesn't include enough diluent to make the concentration you want, you have 2 options to make it easy to accurately measure your doses.

1-buy some insulin syringes, U-100 type. On the graduated markings, the 100iu mark is equal to 1ml, the 50iu is .5ml etc. THIS DOES NOT MEAN IF YOU FILL IT TO THE 100IU MARK THAT YOU ARE TAKING 100IU OF HCG! Iu's are not a measurement of volume or weight, they are a measure of effectiveness for a desired response from specific drugs/compounds. Every compound is different. These are insulin syringes, and they are made for insulin-not hcg. Insulin is the same iu concentration per ml everytime(if its u100 type), hcg is not. Imagine if you made your hcg 10,000iu per ml. if you fill the insulin syringe up to 100iu mark, you now have 10,000iu in there! Not good. You must understand this.
So if you had 5000iu per ml, and wanted to take a 500iu shot, you would inject 10iu on the insulin syringe scale.

2-buy some bacteriostatic water off the internet, its easily found. Simply add more to dilute it to the desired conscentration. Making lower concentrations are easier and more accurately dosed. Then it can accurately be measured w/ a regular syringe.

Mix the two together, they dissolve very easily. Hcg can be very unstable and to make sure to not shake it and let it foam.... Be careful when reconsituting it . Be gentle and run the bac water down the side of the vial not allowing to foam up... Keep things sterile folks. Unused hcg can be refrigerated and is ok to use within 30 days after the initial mixing.

Remember: Store hcg at controlled room temperature (59° to 86°F)(15° to 30°C). After reconstituting store in refrigerator (36° to 46°F) (2° to 8°C).

Absorption
A detectable rise in hcg is seen in 2 h; peak levels are reached in 6 h and remain at this level for 36 h.

Elimination
hcg levels begin to decline at 48 h and approach baseline at 72 h.

i have 5000iu hcg i put 5ml bact. wtr. How much should i take post cycle.

[polly56]

Does anybody know the detection times for HCG?

[2009MrTeenTN]

stoped a cycle 5 months ago and as of a month ago ive been doing clomid and nolva having great results comming back, i did suffer some testicular atrophy and i was wondering i did 150mg for 10 days 100 for 10 days and am now doing 75 for then then i will do 50 for about 21 days, i have hcg can i run 500iu ed to get me back to normal fastest along with clomid and nolva(or arimadex) for 3 weeks? that would come to 10,000iu

[JohnnyClutch]

You get 2 vials or amps, 1 has the powdered hcg in it, and the other has a diluent in it(solvent). The diluent is typically bacteriostatic water, or sterile water w/ .09% sodium chloride. ***ending on the brand and version, the package commonly comes w/ enough diluent to make concentrations ranging from 250-10,000iu per ml.

If your package is 5000iu, and you add 1ml diluent, you have 5000iu per ml.
If you add 5ml diluent, you final mix is then 1000iu per ml.
If you add 10ml diluent, then 500iu per ml and so on.

This is simple math, and you don't wanna screw it up, know what dose you are taking!

If your package doesn't include enough diluent to make the concentration you want, you have 2 options to make it easy to accurately measure your doses.

1-buy some insulin syringes, U-100 type. On the graduated markings, the 100iu mark is equal to 1ml, the 50iu is .5ml etc. THIS DOES NOT MEAN IF YOU FILL IT TO THE 100IU MARK THAT YOU ARE TAKING 100IU OF HCG! Iu's are not a measurement of volume or weight, they are a measure of effectiveness for a desired response from specific drugs/compounds. Every compound is different. These are insulin syringes, and they are made for insulin-not hcg. Insulin is the same iu concentration per ml everytime(if its u100 type), hcg is not. Imagine if you made your hcg 10,000iu per ml. if you fill the insulin syringe up to 100iu mark, you now have 10,000iu in there! Not good. You must understand this.
So if you had 5000iu per ml, and wanted to take a 500iu shot, you would inject 10iu on the insulin syringe scale.

ok so i guess this is the formula right here...
if i wanna take a 250 shot, how much do i dilute??

[smc88]

in the viles i get its 500IUs but wouldnt b able to fit 10ml of water init. ? how can i over come that

[smc88]

5000*

[EasyDoesIt]

Johnny: As prescribed by an anti aging clinic, my doc states 250iu's twice a week. Not on the days that you inject test or whatever you are taking. Be cautious, if you get any nipple sensitivity while taking hcg on your cycle you might want to stop or lower the dosage. This is just information I have obtained from anti aging clinic, but everyones body reacts differently. Previously I was told by them to use 500ius twice a week of hcg if planning on doing a cycle up to twenty weeks for the entire cycle, which I don't believe is necessary. I found that upped my sensitivity even being on 3 mgs of arimidex per week. My cycle only included 200mgs cpyionate and 100 mgs deca per week, which is not much. So my body is extra sensitive. Just thought I would post since I have been given a lot of good advice from this site.

[Relax007]

If I was going to do 4 weeks of HCG, when would I start it and finish it? Also, I hear that long use of HCG will desensitize my LH. Should this be taken for 10 weeks or can I do 250x2/week for 4-6 weeks and be good? This is my planned cycle. Please help with the HCG recommendations.

Dbol 40ed/1-4 weeks
Test e 250x2/1-12 weeks
Deca 200x2/week 1-10 weeks
Winny 50mg/6-12 weeks
HCG 250iux2/8-11 or 2-11 week with nolva-need help
Adex eod or e3d

PCT:
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

[BigDawg44]

Actually I am currently on (week 9) I used 150 mg prop eod until (week 8) then cut it to 100mg eod on (week 10) was going to climb to 200mg eod and add 75 mg tren eod for the remaining 8-10 weeks and needed to know if i should add hcg but apparently I do so i need to do some more research before I climb into tren i think next time ill add it to the cycle.

[BigDawg44]

Also I read if you already have gyno problems on cycle not to use hcg, did i read correctly, I always get gyno while on cycle, but it goes away once i start my pct of novadex and clomid.

[Relax007]

bump

[Sicko]

Great info...Maybe someone can clear up aliitle confusion on my end.I will be running Hcg during my next cycle.I understand the mixing ratio but am confused as to the way it came.
It came in amps, the dilutent also came in amps.My source sayed it was dosed at 5000iu.The thing that has me stuck is why is the dilutant in 2ml amp?does that have any bearing on what it is dosed at?Where or how does the 2ml amount come into play?Why wouldnt it come with 10ml or just 1ml,,Why 2ml?