Question about Roberts PCT

[BOOST]

I am a little confused, please clarify Bro's. Where do you get Injectable Vitamin E, never heard of such a thing. Also can you run Arimidex in place of Aromasin.

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

[perfectbeast2001]

you dont use injectable, you take it orally. And no you should not sub the aromasin.

[BOOST]

Beats when he says 1000iu's ed I assume it is injectable. Am I just retarded and I cannot read or understand this

[BOOST]

Bump if we cannot understand it, how are you suppose to run it.
Is this the right way, my question is the Vitamin E you shoot this

Weeks
Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu day / 20-25mgs /day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu day / 20-25mgs /day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu day /20-25mgs /day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day /20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day /20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

[BOOST]

Nova
Weeks
1 20 per day
2 20 per day
3 20 per day
4 20 per day
5 20 per day
6 20 per day

HCG
1 500 iu per day
2 500 iu per day
3 500 iu per day

Aromasin
1 20-25mg per day
2 20-25mg per day
3 20-25mg per day
4 20-25mg per day
5 20-25 per day

Vitamin E
1 1000 iu per day
2 1000 iu per day
3 1000 iu per day

If this is correct how do you shoot Vitamin E

[mmafan]

I have a question about this PCT too. If I read this right thats 3 weeks of injections everyday. And if I remember rightly HCG has to be injected deep into the glute or side of the quad. So that`s 21 injections after a course? How do you avoid scar tissue? Or can you use small needles?

[Georgie]

I have a question about this PCT too. If I read this right thats 3 weeks of injections everyday. And if I remember rightly HCG has to be injected deep into the glute or side of the quad. So that`s 21 injections after a course? How do you avoid scar tissue? Or can you use small needles?

No, you do don't inject vitamin E. You take it orally. Read the back of a vitamin bottle. IU is just a form of measurement. HCG can be shot sub q. Use an isulin needle. And I have to disagree with Beast. You can substitute arimidex for the aromasin. They are both AI's. I have actually used this protocol many times minus the vitamin E with great success. I also run HCG throughout my cycle at very low doses. It works very well.

[perfectbeast2001]

No, you do don't inject vitamin E. You take it orally. Read the back of a vitamin bottle. IU is just a form of measurement. HCG can be shot sub q. Use an isulin needle. And I have to disagree with Beast. You can substitute arimidex for the aromasin. They are both AI's. I have actually used this protocol many times minus the vitamin E with great success. I also run HCG throughout my cycle at very low doses. It works very well.

you could sub but the whole point of this PCT is that it is based around aromasin and the various (good) interactions between these SPECIFIC compounds. Sub if you like but you may lose synergy...

[Georgie]

you could sub but the whole point of this PCT is that it is based around aromasin and the various (good) interactions between these SPECIFIC compounds. Sub if you like but you may lose synergy...

Agreed. If I remember correctly. The whole reason for the aromasin was a cholesterol issue. But an AI is an AI and it could be substituted. I actually use arimidex with HCG and nolvadex. Never use the vitamin E though. I'm not sure I really believe in the benefits and the reasons spelled out. I think a multi works just as well, or has for me in my own personal experience anyways.

[BOOST]

Is Vitamin e over the counter? I am running Armidex, can I stick with that.

[Georgie]

Is Vitamin e over the counter? I am running Armidex, can I stick with that.

yes it is over the counter. dude its just like any other vitamin. and yes you can stick with the arimidex.

[minibubba]

if you had read the article:

Lets add in an Aromatase Inhibitor! Which one, though? Well, since we are already using Nolvadex, we can’t use Letrozole or Arimidex, as the Nolvadex will actually greatly decrease the blood plasma levels of them (28)!

Letro and Arimidex make nolva pretty much pointless to be taking, hence they shouldn't be used together, ever.

[perfectbeast2001]

if you had read the article:

Lets add in an Aromatase Inhibitor! Which one, though? Well, since we are already using Nolvadex, we can’t use Letrozole or Arimidex, as the Nolvadex will actually greatly decrease the blood plasma levels of them (28)!

Letro and Arimidex make nolva pretty much pointless to be taking, hence they shouldn't be used together, ever.

at last someone who understands the whole point of this PCT.

[Booz]

in used arimidex inxtead of the aromasin and it worked ok for me............

[SVTMuscle*]

Is Vitamin e over the counter? I am running Armidex, can I stick with that.

You keep asking the same question over and over even though it's been answered clearly.
And Vitamin E can be bought anywhere ORALLY

[Booz]

tho i am getting Aromasin for my next pct,thats if i dont decide for hrt........

[Snrf]

tho i am getting Aromasin for my next pct,thats if i dont decide for hrt........

aw booz is gettin old

i'm about to run this PCT in a weeks time, won't have anything to compare it to cuz its my first PCT but lookin forward to it

not lookin forward to PCT of course, just lookin forward to my balls working again quickly

[minibubba]

in used arimidex inxtead of the aromasin and it worked ok for me............

That's great but doesn't really help anyone here. It may have worked ok, but it probably would work better if you had used aromasin.

[Georgie]

That's great but doesn't really help anyone here. It may have worked ok, but it probably would work better if you had used aromasin.

Pharmacokinetics of anastrozole and tamoxifen alone, and in combination, during adjuvant endocrine therapy for early breast cancer in postmenopausal women: a sub-protocol of the 'ArimidexÔ and Tamoxifen Alone or in Combination' (ATAC) trial

The ATAC Trialists' Group

CRC and UCL Cancer Trials Centre, University College London, Stephenson House, 158-160 N Gower Street, London, NW1 2ND, UK


Received 20 September 2000; revised 22 April 2001; accepted 2 May 2001



The ATAC trial evaluates in a randomized, double-blind design, ArimidexÔ (anastrozole) alone or in combination with tamoxifen, relative to tamoxifen alone as 5-year adjuvant treatment in postmenopausal women with early breast cancer. Patients included in the pharmacokinetic (PK) sub-protocol had been in ATAC for 3 months, taking their medication in the morning and were 100% compliant for the preceding 14 days. Blood samples were collected 24 ± 4 h after last dose. Trough (Cmin) plasma concentrations of anastrozole, tamoxifen and desmethyltamoxifen (DMT) were measured by validated methods. The PK results were based on a total of 347 patients (131 anastrozole (1 mg o.d.), 111 tamoxifen (20 mg o.d.), 105 anastrozole and tamoxifen (1 and 20 mg o.d. respectively)). The geometric mean steady-state trough plasma concentrations of tamoxifen and DMT were statistically equivalent in patients receiving tamoxifen alone or in combination with anastrozole: geometric mean tamoxifen = 94.8 ng ml-1and 95.3 ng ml-1in tamoxifen alone and combination groups, respectively; geometric mean DMT = 265.1 and 277.6 ng ml-1in the tamoxifen and anastrozole and tamoxifen groups, respectively. The geometric mean anastrozole levels were 27% lower (90% Cl 20-33%;P< 0.001) in the presence of tamoxifen than with anastrozole alone. Baseline plasma oestradiol levels were not obtained in the PK sub-protocol, however, such information was available from a similar ATAC sub-protocol, which evaluated bone mineral density. Mean oestradiol levels were 21.3, 19.3, and 21.6 pmol l-1prior to treatment and 3.7, 20.9 and 3.6 pmol l-1after 3 months in the anastrozole, tamoxifen, and combination groups, respectively (n = 167). On-treatment values were below the detection limit (3 pmol l-1) in 43.6 and 38.5% of the anastrozole alone and anastrozole in combination with tamoxifen groups, respectively. As a result of (a) the lack of effect of anastrozole on tamoxifen and DMT levels and (b) the observed fall in blood anastrozole levels having no significant effect on oestradiol suppression by anastrozole, we conclude that the observed reduction in anastrozole levels by tamoxifen is unlikely to be of clinical significance when anastrozole and tamoxifen are administered together

Arimidex levels are reduced by tamoxifin. But not by a significant amount. The arimidex (anastrozole) dose just needs to be bumped up slightly. It is a much cheaper compound than aromasin and I have always used it with great success in a smilair PCT as this one. It works just fine. Blood work, always says so. If you want to use arimidex go ahead. Its not that big of a deal.

Here is a good read

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...light=nolvadex

[Georgie]

if you had read the article:

Lets add in an Aromatase Inhibitor! Which one, though? Well, since we are already using Nolvadex, we can’t use Letrozole or Arimidex, as the Nolvadex will actually greatly decrease the blood plasma levels of them (28)!

Letro and Arimidex make nolva pretty much pointless to be taking, hence they shouldn't be used together, ever.

That is incorrect. Nolvadex decreases the blood plasma levels of arimidex, not the other way around. Arimidex does not make taking Nolvadex pointless. The dosage of Armidex just needs to be slightly increased. So to answer the question he wanted to know if he can substitute arimidex for the armoasin.... and the answer is absolutely. The dose of arimidex just needs to be slightly increased. It will do the exact same thing as aromasin only for cheaper.

[BOOST]

You keep asking the same question over and over even though it's been answered clearly.
And Vitamin E can be bought anywhere ORALLY

Gezzz alright Bro I got it, just a little thick headed on this

I got 4 weeks left on my Test e cycle, I am going to run this for PCT

[BOOST]

^^^

Running this in 1 week, I will keep you Bro's posted on how it works.