newbie pct question... where to buy?

[onefastbird95]

I have never ran pct and I am three weeks into a 12 week cycle of sust and win. I would just like to know the best place to get pct drugs from? I saw that Lion nutrition offered some things but don't know if they are good or what I would be looking for from them. Any help would be greatly appreciated! thanks

[getfit28]

Dang bro,,,, big mistake you should have not started this until you had everything in hand.... Yes, Lion's does have Noval, Clomid etc.... good stuff.

[onefastbird95]

Dang bro,,,, big mistake you should have not started this until you had everything in hand.... Yes, Lion's does have Noval, Clomid etc.... good stuff.

Yeah I know what you mean... a lot of people from the gyms I workout at don't use much pct (and yes from researching I know that is pretty ignorant of them) but I am trying to branch out and learn and start pct. Hopefully you guys can point me in the right direction... I read a lot on this site about it but seemes a little overwhelmed since I have never done this before... any help would be great!

[onefastbird95]

oh and can I get by with just purchasing a few products from lion or should I go do I have to go elsewhere??? I also need to address some gyno issues that I have noticed from my last cyle... I hope to be able to treat this while on this cycle if thats possible? with letro?

-I don't know if I need to taper more when I come off my sust and winni or not?

here is what I am doing to do, I am on week 3 right now
week 1 sust250 x 2
week 2 sust250 x 2,
week 3 sust250 x 2,
week 4 sust250 x 3, win 50mg x 3
week 5 sust250 x 3, win 50mg x 3
week 6 sust250 x 3, win 50mg x 3
week 7 sust250 x 3, win 50mg x 3
week 8 sust250 x 3, win 50mg x 3
week 9 sust250 x 3, win 50mg x 3
week 10 sust250 x 3, win 50mg x 3
week 11 sust250 x 2
week 12 sust250 x 2

[getfit28]

I don't understand bro how you been cycling without using any pct ever, are you kidding me ?
how many cycles have you used ?
do you know how bad is your gyno ?
I had some gyno sometime back for doing the same mistake your doing now but thanks to some people on this board I listen to their advise..
I stopped my cycle when I was on my 3 or 4th week & I got on some letro

[J0k3R]

another thing is to regulate your blood levels sustanon should be shot EOD

[onefastbird95]

Yeah I normally stay pretty lean so you can tell the puffiness under my nipples and if you feel them they are hard underneath. My nipples are also a little bit more pointy due to the puffiness. I realize I have been making mistakes but I am trying to learn how to correct this and be more intelligent about it... If you guys can point me in towards a better direction I would appreciate it. thanks

[onefastbird95]

I don't understand bro how you been cycling without using any pct ever, are you kidding me ?
how many cycles have you used ?
do you know how bad is your gyno ?
I had some gyno sometime back for doing the same mistake your doing now but thanks to some people on this board I listen to their advise..
I stopped my cycle when I was on my 3 or 4th week & I got on some letro

I am already going on week four in my cycle... should I buy some letro from ar-r dot com and some pct supplies or go about everything a different way in your opinion? I would like to clear up this gyno if at all possible...

[getfit28]

I am already going on week four in my cycle... should I buy some letro from ar-r dot com and some pct supplies or go about everything a different way in your opinion? I would like to clear up this gyno if at all possible...

Ok read this bro & follow advise.... .... ( print ) By the way this is from C BINO

Do plenty of reading & I mean plenty along with research...... I hate reading but I had to becuase no one will just give you a straight answer.. They way people here look at it is if we had to bust are as reading then why don't the newbies as well ... good luck

Originally Posted by C_Bino
I am posting this thread to help answer all of the questions regarding gyno prevention and reversal, the use of letrozole and other anti-e’s. I will go over everything in very simple easy to understand language. Also we are talking about estrogen gyno here, not progesterone (but using letro will stop progesterone related problems as well since it inhibits all estrogen anyways). Progesterone gyno will be enlargement of your nipple area, the actual aereola, not a lump under it.

Let me make this first point very clear, as I state in my signature this is from my personal experience, so whether you agree with it or not is your own issue. I have helped many people with gyno and it has worked just fine for them as well.

To first understand why you are doing what you are doing I am going to go over a few things and a few definitions:

SERM – Selective estrogen receptor modulator. These drugs work by binding to the estrogen receptors and flooding them in a sense, making it difficult (but not impossible by any means) for estrogen to bind to the receptors and thus prevent the onset of estrogen related side effects.
Most common forms: Tamoxifen (Nolvadex), Clomiphene (Clomid)
AI – Aromatise Inhibitor. These drugs work by inhibiting the aromatization of estrogen. This means that in effect AI’s prevent androgens from converting to estrogen, again, making it difficult (but not impossible) for estrogen to reach receptor sites.
Most common forms: Anastrozole (l-dex, a-dex), Exemestane (aromasin), Femera (letrozole). For our purpose of reversing gyno we are interested in Letro.

Letro and your sex drive:
Letrozole will suppress your sex drive. This is another reason why it is so important to act on preventing gyno as soon as possible. Since we all know that Test should be run in every cycle this will cancel out the effect of sex drive suppression.

Running letro to prevent gyno:
If you decide to run estrogen protection while on cycle (and I suggest you do unless you are aware that you do not require it), you can run either a SERM or an AI. Letro will be the most powerful AI you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.

You will want to start running the letro approximately 2 weeks before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have often heard the argument that letro takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don’t know if I buy into this for the reason that I have reversed gyno after using letro for only 1 week. Still to be safe I recommend starting it before your cycle as stated above.

If you do decide to run letro there is absolutely no need to run another AI or SERM. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way; if letro is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolva will only take away from the effectiveness of letro.

This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. I have no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too many times recently. Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno…let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP.

It is very important that you begin taking letrozole immediately, the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to reverse it.

How do I know if I have gyno?
If you have developed gyno you will have a lump behind your nipple. It will be fairly hard, and it will be tender to touch.

Running letro to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.

1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.

This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can’t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.

How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.

I hope this covers most of the issues, still feel free to PM me if you have questions. But make sure you read the entire post first. I will ignore PM's that have an answer covered in this post already.

[lifterjaydawg]

ARR has all the pct chems you need.

[onefastbird95]

I am have done some research but am simply confused on the fact of since I am three weeks into a twelve week cycle should I start letro as soon as possible and run it threw my cycle to take care of my gyno issue. Also confused on when to stop letro... stop it after last injection? or run it right along with and in conjunction with another one or two pct drugs?

[getfit28]

I am have done some research but am simply confused on the fact of since I am three weeks into a twelve week cycle should I start letro as soon as possible and run it threw my cycle to take care of my gyno issue. Also confused on when to stop letro... stop it after last injection? or run it right along with and in conjunction with another one or two pct drugs?

Bro everything is there on the post I send you READ IT.... It tells you how to use if you continue the cycle and how to use if not running any cycle it's pretty self explanitory... I know it's allot to read but read it... I had to read this about 4 x in order for me to get the full picture..... READ READ READ.....Trust me I hate reading so I understand but everybody here will tell you the same thing I'm telling you they will not spell it out for you !!!!
Read this one more time & let me know what you don't understand ?? & I will explain but put effort in it...

[onefastbird95]

Bro everything is there on the post I send you READ IT.... It tells you how to use if you continue the cycle and how to use if not running any cycle it's pretty self explanitory... I know it's allot to read but read it... I had to read this about 4 x in order for me to get the full picture..... READ READ READ.....Trust me I hate reading so I understand but everybody here will tell you the same thing I'm telling you they will not spell it out for you !!!!
Read this one more time & let me know what you don't understand ?? & I will explain but put effort in it...

I just read it over like three times and even took some notes in my training journal... I also clicked the original link to the thread and read threw about five pages of questions people had for c bino and his responses. It is starting to make a lot more sense. I am going to spend some time researching PCT in general. I will get back to you with any questions after I research PCT more, but I am deffinately learning a lot. thanks

[getfit28]

I just read it over like three times and even took some notes in my training journal... I also clicked the original link to the thread and read threw about five pages of questions people had for c bino and his responses. It is starting to make a lot more sense. I am going to spend some time researching PCT in general. I will get back to you with any questions after I research PCT more, but I am deffinately learning a lot. thanks

No problem, this is how we all learn.... I tell you what I know & you can tell me that you know.. but we all have to put effort in trying to find info on our own first.... Let me know if you have any questions