Please Help!

[Z12]

Okay, I'm about to do my second here in a few weeks:

Week 1-5: T-bol (oral turinabol) @ 80mg/day
Week 5-8: T-bol @ 40mg/day & Anavar @ 80mg/day

Why oral only? Because that is all I can get for now. Besides, from my research, t-bol and var seems to be the best oral only cycle possible.

I want to do a SUPER HEAVY PCT. Why? Because I am convinced that the pct for my ONLY previous cycle didn't work. The cycle was test e at 600mg for 12 weeks. PCT was according to Mudman's "cycles for the newbie" post, which is:

Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .5mg L-dex
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .5mg L-dex
Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva / .5mg L-dex

There are several reasons I don't think the pct fully worked:

1. My sex drive never fully recovered. I'm just not as interested or capable as I was before - as I should be.

2. I've gained a good amount of FAT post-cycle. Maybe my bulking diet carried over too far, I don't know, but I think there are other forces at work, like maybe too much estrogen and/or too little test.

3. A few months after pct, I've gotten bumps on the backs of my arms and shoulders. You know what I'm talking about - you've seen people with what looks like a rash on the backs of their arms, reddish and bumpy but not acne. I usually see this on girls, so I'm suspicious that it has something to do with estrogen.

I'm think I'll need a goooooood pct to get back to normal, so here is my question:

***What is a good pct (not including HCG - no needles for now) to not only recover from this coming cycle, but also to recover from my first cycle???***

Thanks in advance bros, I appreciate it.

-Z12

[Johny-too-small]

Uh, okay, thanks for all the info.

FIRST and LAST: Do not run another cycle if you have not recovered from your first one.

Thats all you need to know right now, worry about another cycle later. You need to repeat your pct, however, use an AI like adex, ldex, letro, etc.

[Z12]

Uh, okay, thanks for all the info.

FIRST and LAST: Do not run another cycle if you have not recovered from your first one.

Thats all you need to know right now, worry about another cycle later. You need to repeat your pct, however, use an AI like adex, ldex, letro, etc.

I've got a bottle of Clomid, so I guess I could run that at 100mg/day for 24 days. That should help, right?

I think I should rephrase my question......

If you feel that your pct was not as effective as it should be, would it be better to run your next pct at higher doses OR for a longer period of time for a better recovery?

Thanks.

[Big]

I've got a bottle of Clomid, so I guess I could run that at 100mg/day for 24 days. That should help, right?

I think I should rephrase my question......

If you feel that your pct was not as effective as it should be, would it be better to run your next pct at higher doses OR for a longer period of time for a better recovery?

Thanks.

you should run a sufficient pct and take time off until your levels are back to normal before you consider running anything else.

[Z12]

you should run a sufficient pct and take time off until your levels are back to normal before you consider running anything else.

Damn, you vets aren't giving me the advice I wanted but I know you're right. I'll run that clomid and see how I feel, maybe get some bloodwork. I guess I'll hold off on the cycle for a while.

But again,

For a more effective pct, would it be better to run a LONG pct or with larger doses, or does it matter??? Thanks.