Hcg????

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11-07-2007, 08:45 AM
ramsay_1

Hcg????

heres my cutting cycle

weeks 1-8 80mg test prop ED
weeks 4-8 50mg winny depot ED
weeks 4-8 80mcg IGF

ive started to run HCG at 500iu 2xEW from week 4.

should i stop this at week 8???

increase the does after week 8 and run through pct???

PCT is nolva, clomid and aromasin

cheers guys
11-07-2007, 08:46 AM
Ashop

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramsay_1

heres my cutting cycle

weeks 1-8 80mg test prop ED
weeks 4-8 50mg winny depot ED
weeks 4-8 80mcg IGF

ive started to run HCG at 500iu 2xEW from week 4.

should i stop this at week 8???

increase the does after week 8 and run through pct???

PCT is nolva, clomid and aromasin

cheers guys

run it through your cycle 500iu 1-2 wk...dont run the HCG during pct.
11-07-2007, 01:02 PM
ramsay_1

why not, just curious??
11-07-2007, 01:22 PM
spywizard

because the hcg will delay your recovery..

thats why we run it during the cycle.. not in pct..
11-07-2007, 01:55 PM
Merc..

HCG is suppressive but if you use nolva in conjunction with it the suppressive nature is stopped..

Desentization is a concern when using HCG .. Hcg blocks the conversion of 17 OHP into test , when using nolva with HCG it stops the blocking action from occurring thus making HCG a good choice for pct when used in conjunction with nolva..

Merc.
11-07-2007, 01:59 PM
spywizard

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merc.

HCG is suppressive but if you use nolva in conjunction with it the suppressive nature is stopped..

Desentization is a concern when using HCG .. Hcg blocks the conversion of 17 OHP into test , when using nolva with HCG it stops the blocking action from occurring thus making HCG a good choice for pct when used in conjunction with nolva..

Merc.

true too..

it comes down to the user, did you experience atrophy during the cycle?? i do, so i prefer the thinking that it's easier to get something functional that is only slightly atrophied.. vs letting it get the size of small peanuts and then fixing the problem..

so there ya go..
11-07-2007, 02:06 PM
Merc..

Quote:

Originally Posted by spywizard

true too..

it comes down to the user, did you experience atrophy during the cycle?? i do, so i prefer the thinking that it's easier to get something functional that is only slightly atrophied.. vs letting it get the size of small peanuts and then fixing the problem..

so there ya go..

Yea people use HCG alot of diffrent ways ...

So many people dont understand the whole nolva and hcg thing..

Here's a study check it out...

Tamoxifen suppresses gonadotropin-induced 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone accumulation in normal men.Smals AG, Pieters GF, Drayer JI, Boers GH, Benraad TJ, Kloppenborg PW.
Intramuscular administration of 1500 IU hCG daily for 3 days induced a transient accumulation of 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone (17 OHP) relative to testosterone (T) in normal men, reaching its maximum 24 h after the first injection (17 OHP to T ratio, 1.7 +/- 0.3 times baseline; P < 0.01). Simultaneous administration of hCG and the estrogen antagonist tamoxifen (20 mg twice daily) almost completely abolished the hCG-induced steroidogenic block localized between 17 OHP and T (17 OHP to T ratio at 24 h, 1.1 +/- 0.1 times baseline; P < 0.01 vs. hCG alone). These data indirectly suggest that, in man, the hCG-induced steroidogenic lesion might be mediated through its estrogen-stimulating effect.

PMID: 7419679 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE
11-07-2007, 02:14 PM
Merc..

Also if go look up desensitise and leydig ( on pubmed ) and you will see that desensitization is not caused by PKC so its most likey to be caused by its effects on 17 hydroxyprogesterone )..

I like Anthony Roberts pct protocol the best.. Nolva , HCG and aromasin.. So any suppression from estrogen engendered by the HCG will be halted with the aromasin..

Merc.