PCT Has Changed

[bossman_1986]

Before people used to use nolvadex and clomid..and that was their pct. Now im seeing more people not even using clomid and using an AI like aromasin and HCG .

1. Can you do a pct without hcg?

2. What do you use in pct? Doses? Length of time?

[Big]

1. you can certainly take pct without hcg , I personally prefer hcg while on cycle if it's a suppressive cycle rather than on pct. this is just personal preference.
2. what I use on pct is determined by the cycle itself.

[Phalocke]

Before people used to use nolvadex and clomid..and that was their pct. Now im seeing more people not even using clomid and using an AI like aromasin and HCG .

1. Can you do a pct without hcg?

2. What do you use in pct? Doses? Length of time?

1) You can do a PCT without HCG but it may or may not be as effective as a PCT which includes HCG. Everybody has their own configuration for PCT, you just need to figure out which compounds and dosages work best for you and your chosen cycle.

2) In my PCT I usually use a combionation of Clomid, Novaldex, L-Dex/Letro/Aromasin and/or HCG. Dosages are usually higher first couple of weeks and slowly go down. My PCT usually lasts about four weeks.

[Phalocke]

1. you can certainly take pct without hcg , I personally prefer hcg while on cycle if it's a suppressive cycle rather than on pct. this is just personal preference.
2. what I use on pct is determined by the cycle itself.

Ima******ger, what do you consider a suppressive cycle?

I try to use HCG in most cycles but seem to have a hard time obtaining it at times.

[Big]

Ima******ger, what do you consider a suppressive cycle?

I try to use HCG in most cycles but seem to have a hard time obtaining it at times.

I find longer cycles, or cycles containing 19nor compounds to be more suppressive than say an 8 week prop only cycle.

[bossman_1986]

what would be a good pct without hcg ??

[Chuck_R]

Would it be better to go a little overboard with your pct and include too much.. compared with a very limited pct?

[Crest]

you dont have to use hcg in pct, use it at the end of your cycle before pct as its suppresive to your natural testosterone reproduction

[bossman_1986]

what would be a good pct without hcg??

[Big]

clomid: 300mg day 1, 100mg per day 2-8, 50mg per day 9-28
nolva: 40mg per day 1-8, 20mg per day 9-28

This is an "old-school" pct that I have used in the past with good results. On my last pct I also used Myogenx also and really liked it, it will be part of my pct from now on. Others have used it and not noticed anything, but personally I liked it.

[reconforce4]

bump

[Amorphic]

bump

bump after 4 minutes on the last post? okayy

[bossman_1986]

clomid: 300mg day 1, 100mg per day 2-8, 50mg per day 9-28
nolva: 40mg per day 1-8, 20mg per day 9-28

This is an "old-school" pct that I have used in the past with good results. On my last pct I also used Myogenx also and really liked it, it will be part of my pct from now on. Others have used it and not noticed anything, but personally I liked it.

yea thats the pct i always run but arent studies showing that you dont need clomid since you already have nolva?

[Big]

yea thats the pct i always run but arent studies showing that you dont need clomid since you already have nolva?

yes, but there are also studies showing that we shouldn't be using steroids . I use that protocol because it has worked for me. I also like Anthony Robert's pct.

[bossman_1986]

yes, but there are also studies showing that we shouldn't be using steroids. I use that protocol because it has worked for me. I also like Anthony Robert's pct.

so nolva and aromasin

aromasin causes androgenic side effects so does that mean it causes hair loss?

[Big]

I've never tried Anthony's pct without the hcg , so I'm not sure how just nolva and aromasin would do. I've never had a problem with mpb and as such have not been affected by it, but if someone is prone to it then it's something to consider.

[BigJames]

A couple of people have mentioned Letro. I intend to do my upcoming PCT with Nolva, Clomid, Letro, and Tribulus (it works for me). I am considering the estrogen rebound associated with Letro...how should I taper it to reduce the estrogen rebound as much as possible?

[Amorphic]

A couple of people have mentioned Letro. I intend to do my upcoming PCT with Nolva, Clomid, Letro, and Tribulus (it works for me). I am considering the estrogen rebound associated with Letro...how should I taper it to reduce the estrogen rebound as much as possible?

use nolva for a few weeks after letro to avoid the estrogen rebound

[BigJames]

use nolva for a few weeks after letro to avoid the estrogen rebound

Thanks Amorphic! Much appreciated...I will do it.

[bossman_1986]

does it really make a different to use 300mg of clomid the first day when starting pct? i use 150mg the first day so is that less effective?

[Amorphic]

does it really make a different to use 300mg of clomid the first day when starting pct? i use 150mg the first day so is that less effective?

the way i read about clomid in pct was to use 150mg ed for the first week, drop down to 100mg ed for the next few weeks and then drop down to 50mg ed for the last week.

300mg ed might give you some vision issues (tracers etc)

[bossman_1986]

i usually do 150mg the first day then 100mg for next 10 days then 50mg for 17 days