Didnt do pct after cycle..Now what? Please help.

[TxPumpjack]

Hey bro's. I'm hoping I can get some help here without critisicim cause theres no one who is more pissed than myself for being such a dumbass. I started a 16wk cycle of consisting of 400mg of test cyp a week, 100mg of mast eod, and 100mg of var ed. My cycle ended last August. Around October or November I started getting signs of gyno so I quickly started letro using the taper up and down method. After tapering down my gyno is always gone, but days later its back and I'm back on letro. I have now been on letro for almost 3 months straight. I have absolutely no energy, I'm always exhausted and can barely get out of bed. I do have a sex drive but its not what it was before. What do I need to do to fix this? I have easy access to clomid and nova, however I'm not sure about HCG. Any help will be greatly appreciated. This feeling like crap thing everyday is starting to get to me. I'm not sure how much longer I can take it. Im guessing since I neglected to do pct the letro is causing me to have an estrogen rebound. Thanks bros.

[The WeaPoN]

if you read c_bino's thread, you would have read that you to take nolva after you stop the letro to stop the estro rebound that is one of the most important partswhen coming off

[AaronJM1984]

How about a Test booster

[TxPumpjack]

After reading c_binos thread on gyno I'm still confused as hell. I have easy access to clomid and nolva. What do I need to take and how much? Its not that his thread confused me, its just i'm at the point where I dont know what to do. I have letro on hand. I just need to get rid of the constand estrogen rebound its giving me. Guys, I need dosages of what and how much. Thanks

[The WeaPoN]

20mg for the first wk then it go down to 10 for next wk

[TxPumpjack]

thanks man. I dont need to take any clomid though? Just nolva?

[hugovsilva]

The info is all there. What is there that you don't understand?

After finishing the protocol just run nolva for a couple of weeks at 20mg ed.

[AnabolicBoy1981]

man oh man, i cant belive gyno came in that far after u stopped.

well, if the gyno is gone, taper off with nolva like the others said. you could try also tapering down the letro even slower and more gradually than u did before, and then jumping on adex to slowly acclimate your body to have SOME estrogen but not alot, then tapering that down till your off. Im actually doing this right now so PM me so i can get back to you on how it goes.
Maybe using the nolva taper will work, but if it doesnt, you may want to try my idea. See, figure after awhile of being on letro, your aromatase making ability is ramped up because your body is desperatly trying to restore the balance of estrogen to testosterone ratio. But also your estrogen reseptors are super sensitiive to estrogen because there was such a deficit. So what you might need to do is give your body a "taste" of estrogen by switching off to a weaker AI(adex) and tapering that down, slowly "feeding" your body estrogen in a gradual fashion so your sensitive receptors are not hit with a big dose of estrogen.
Also, keep in mind letro is very powerful at increasing testosterone. I have seen it in my own bloodwork, an increase of almost TRIPLE. Now think about this...if you have TRIPLE the amount of testosterone, increased aromatase activity, and super sensitive estrogen receptors, you are really in all actuality putting your body in a position very similar to being "on cycle" with no AI, as far as estrogen sides are concerend, if you are comming off letro without tapering. So, being that your testosterone is actually higher than normal you really have to taper off with weaker stuff(ie, adex at .5mg, then.25mg, then .25 eod, or nolva 20mg, then 10, then 5) to alow SOME estrogen to take action in your body so you can get yourself used to estrogen again.

[The WeaPoN]

thanks man. I dont need to take any clomid though? Just nolva?

i would just take the nolva like the thread says

thats what i did and it worked fine