Is HCG really necessary ?

[Ellie]

I have ran an 8 week cycle of 250mg enth each week and 50mg winny ED. I have come clomid ready to take 2 weeks after last shot of enth and was planning HCG for the 2 weeks in between last shot and start of clomid, but now I cant get hold of any. Is it really necessary for such a mild cycle. I dont seen to have any shrinkage so was wondering if the clomid would be enough to get my test going again

[Atomini]

No, I don't believe HCG has it's place these days unless you have some extremely serious issues with your hormone levels that need to be fixed. HCG use comes from that old-school way of thinking (back from the 80s and 90s steroid users) but in my opinion, it's obsolete now.

For PCT, it doesn't make sense to me to use HCG. Think about it... HCG is pretty much synthetic Luteinizing Hormone, and LH just like any other hormone in your body has a negative feedback loop. So it doesn't make sense to me at all to stick HCG into yourself during PCT, which is a time where you want to get your NATURAL Luteinizing Hormone levels back to normal so that your body can therefore produce endogenous testosterone again. What one should really do during PCT instead of using HCG is use a drug such as a SERM or an Aromatase Inhibitor (or both) that stimulates the pituitary gland to produce endogenous Luteinizing Hormone.

[ChuckLee]

No, I don't believe HCG has it's place these days unless you have some extremely serious issues with your hormone levels that need to be fixed. HCG use comes from that old-school way of thinking (back from the 80s and 90s steroid users) but in my opinion, it's obsolete now.

For PCT, it doesn't make sense to me to use HCG. Think about it... HCG is pretty much synthetic Luteinizing Hormone, and LH just like any other hormone in your body has a negative feedback loop. So it doesn't make sense to me at all to stick HCG into yourself during PCT, which is a time where you want to get your NATURAL Luteinizing Hormone levels back to normal so that your body can therefore produce endogenous testosterone again. What one should really do during PCT instead of using HCG is use a drug such as a SERM or an Aromatase Inhibitor (or both) that stimulates the pituitary gland to produce endogenous Luteinizing Hormone.

Great post bro.
I completely agree. Someone use it for PCT after a long cycle tho.

CL

[Merc..]

No, I don't believe HCG has it's place these days unless you have some extremely serious issues with your hormone levels that need to be fixed. HCG use comes from that old-school way of thinking (back from the 80s and 90s steroid users) but in my opinion, it's obsolete now.

For PCT, it doesn't make sense to me to use HCG. Think about it... HCG is pretty much synthetic Luteinizing Hormone, and LH just like any other hormone in your body has a negative feedback loop. So it doesn't make sense to me at all to stick HCG into yourself during PCT, which is a time where you want to get your NATURAL Luteinizing Hormone levels back to normal so that your body can therefore produce endogenous testosterone again. What one should really do during PCT instead of using HCG is use a drug such as a SERM or an Aromatase Inhibitor (or both) that stimulates the pituitary gland to produce endogenous Luteinizing Hormone.

When used in conjunction with nolva HCG's suppressive nature is blocked... Check this study out ...

Tamoxifen suppresses gonadotropin-induced 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone accumulation in normal men.Smals AG, Pieters GF, Drayer JI, Boers GH, Benraad TJ, Kloppenborg PW.
Intramuscular administration of 1500 IU hCG daily for 3 days induced a transient accumulation of 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone (17 OHP) relative to testosterone (T) in normal men, reaching its maximum 24 h after the first injection (17 OHP to T ratio, 1.7 +/- 0.3 times baseline; P < 0.01). Simultaneous administration of hCG and the estrogen antagonist tamoxifen (20 mg twice daily) almost completely abolished the hCG-induced steroidogenic block localized between 17 OHP and T (17 OHP to T ratio at 24 h, 1.1 +/- 0.1 times baseline; P < 0.01 vs. hCG alone). These data indirectly suggest that, in man, the hCG-induced steroidogenic lesion might be mediated through its estrogen-stimulating effect.

PMID: 7419679 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[BlackWidow]

It's not necessary.
You are suppressing your test during the whole cycle so your testes stop working for the whole cycle length. Using HCG will force your testes to work... It's kinda like ( Wake up! you can produce testosterone .. remember?!! )... As the previous post, it's kinda old school medicine from the days they were treating Polycyctic ovaries with cauterization just to shock them to work!!!

[Merc..]

See this thread also ..


HCG the best of both balls


Merc.

[Ellie]

Cheers for that, I was get worried about not having any. Do you think I am right to start clomid 2 weeks after my last enth shot ?

[Amorphic]

i'll be using hcg in my pct for my npp/prop cycle. i think it has a purpose

[Serotonin]

Personally, I'm a fan of Swale's perspective. Its easier for the hypothalamus to get the pituitary secreting LH than it is for the leydig cells to just start pumping out natural test in the levels someone coming off a cycle will need.

Not to mention HCG /HMG are used in a wide array of treating hypogonadism. If you don't need it great, but I've noticed, without a doubt, that running about 1k iu( a week) of HCG during a cycle and PCT I have very very minimal recovery time.