PCT Q's and planing. 1st cycle.

**Horxhs** · 04-06-2008, 07:10 PM

I have been reading for the past year on steroids and i think i have a clue on whats going on. Although i started reading for educational purposes i ended up thinking of giving it a try.
21 years old. 1,95cm, 104kg now, bf est. 16%
been working out for about 3,5 years with some gaps but no big deal...

So...

Week 1-10 test cyp 400mgs/week (2 shots @200mgs)
Week 1-4 dbol 20-30mgs/day (20 or 30 suggestions??)
Hcg ??
Week 1-?? Nolva 20mg/day
+vit b6 200mgs/day

I have trouble understanding the timing of pct i must admit that...
Q's How must i plan my pct? I want hcg with the cycle, whats the timing and how much /week?
Is it ok for a starter cycle?

Site switching is needed i suppose...just checking...

**Phate** · 04-06-2008, 07:12 PM

edit for price discussion please then we can help

**Horxhs** · 04-06-2008, 07:26 PM

Dont really mond for the price...i erased that.
UPDATE.
Week 1-10 test cyp 400mgs/week (2 shots @200mgs)
Week 1-4 dbol 20-30mgs/day (20 or 30 suggestions??)
Hcg ??
Week 1-12 Nolva 10mg/day
+vit b6 200mgs/day

As pct i think i am going to follow TheMudMan's protocol...without the ldex, starting 2 weeks after last cyp shot.
Day 1___300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 2-30__100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 31-37_20mg Nolva

**Phate** · 04-06-2008, 07:28 PM

dbol run at 20mg for first four weeks
1-12 on test cyp 400mg shot monday morning thurday evening

**Big** · 04-06-2008, 07:29 PM

You should not need to run HCG or Nolva while on a mild test/dbol cycle.

**Horxhs** · 04-06-2008, 07:33 PM

Well thats what i thought but...well better safe than sorry...i think i am going to stick to it. 10mgs should be enough then(nolva). Hcg also not needed....?????

PS thanx for quick replies guys, much appreciated

**Big** · 04-06-2008, 07:37 PM

You should not experience significant testicular atrophy on that cycle, which is the only reason you would use HCG .
Personally I would not use Nolva while on that cycle, just have it on hand. (you need some estrogen to grow)

**Horxhs** · 04-06-2008, 07:45 PM

Will do big. Thanx for the info. dbol on 30mgs/day weeks1-4 i ok? or 20 as phate said.

**Phate** · 04-06-2008, 08:16 PM

anthony roberts recommends 20mg/day, though some people i've seen have been running 40-100mg/day, though i really would caution against that, most i've read do between 20-40mg a day, i just picked the lower end of the spectrum since it's your first cycle, neway, this should bump it up so BIG can reply if you want his answer

**Horxhs** · 04-07-2008, 01:32 PM

Xm... ok phate thx!

Another question. Could i stack it with some t3 at say 50-75mcgs ed to aid the fat loss? Will it work? BIG, any thoughts on this? Thought that the aas would keep the muscle (and even grow them even more), while t3 does its job.

PS Last year i was on t3+t4 without aas, and lost both fat but also mass.

**Horxhs** · 04-07-2008, 01:50 PM

Xm... ok phate thx!

Two last questions.
Is it better if i run it with sustanon ? I can get it for 6E/amp.
Could i stack the cycle with some t3 at say 50-75mcgs ed to aid the fat loss? Will it work? BIG, any thoughts on this? Thought that the aas would keep the muscle (and even grow them even more), while t3 does its job.

PS Last year i was on t3+t4 without aas, and lost both fat but also mass.

**Njord** · 04-07-2008, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Horxhs

Xm... ok phate thx!

Two last questions.
Is it better if i run it with sustanon ? I can get it for 6E/amp.
Could i stack the cycle with some t3 at say 50-75mcgs ed to aid the fat loss? Will it work? BIG, any thoughts on this? Thought that the aas would keep the muscle (and even grow them even more), while t3 does its job.

PS Last year i was on t3+t4 without aas, and lost both fat but also mass.

Stick with the cyp vs sust, less injections. And yes you can run t3 while on cycle.
No price discussions though

**Horxhs** · 04-08-2008, 01:30 PM

bump any other suggetsions guys??!?!

**Horxhs** · 04-08-2008, 03:29 PM

bump

**Big Papi JR.** · 04-08-2008, 04:27 PM

Save the nolva for PCT. D-Bol @ 30mg. If you are planning on bulking I wouldn't run the T3.

**Horxhs** · 04-10-2008, 11:38 AM

I am going to run test enanth cause i found it much cheaper, eventually.
So....

Week 1-10 test enanth 500mgs/week (250-250)
Week 1-4 dianabol 30mgs/day

PCT
nolvadex 20mg/day (6 weeks)
HCG 1500iu e3d (3 weeks)
+vit E 1000iu/day

Am i going to need any nolva or anything DURING the cycle or just the pct. ASAP cause its kind of urgent...thx!

**Horxhs** · 04-11-2008, 06:44 AM

Bump

**wukillabee** · 04-12-2008, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Horxhs

I am going to run test enanth cause i found it much cheaper, eventually.
So....

Week 1-10 test enanth 500mgs/week (250-250)
Week 1-4 dianabol 30mgs/day

PCT
nolvadex 20mg/day (6 weeks)
HCG 1500iu e3d (3 weeks)
+vit E 1000iu/day

Am i going to need any nolva or anything DURING the cycle or just the pct. ASAP cause its kind of urgent...thx!

Just as BIG said, no need for hcg for this cycle! From my research it looks like people only need hcg for pct when a 19-nor is included in the cycle or 3+ aas are used for cycle. You'll be good at nolva starting 2 weeks after last shot dosed at 40 mg ed for first week then 3 weeks of 20 mg ed. Anthony Roberts says on his pct protocol that more then 20 mg of nolva really doesnt do much more for u, just people thinking more is better but many people say 40 mg first week or 2 of pct then 20 mg ed for last 2 weeks. its up to u but u should be straight. Also readd will estrogen effect my gains posted here somewhere. No need for ancillary while on cycle unless gyno/water retention get out of hand and if so take ldex at .25 mg eod. Remeber u need some estrogen to grow while on cycle so turning it off will inhibit ur gains a lot and u wont be happy with money spent on a crappy cycle. Good luck!