PCT - waiting or starting straight away.

[Mazzive_T]

Helllo all, kind regards on being members on this great forum. Rite well here goes, now ive finally got some time to myself and im not eating lol ive decided to do a bit more research to what i already know on my pct. Im currently in week 6 of this bulking cycle listed below, im just about to stop the prop and dbol , and i frontloaded everything in week one too.

Weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg/week
Weeks 1-10 Deca 550mg/week
Weeks 1-10 EQ 600mg/week
Weeks 1-6 Dbol 50mg/Day
Weeks 1-6 Test P 100mg EOD.

Heres my not so detailed at the moment training log lol T's year long Bodybuilding Log.

gains are going well up from 172 to 206 already its fairly solid not that much water retention or bloat, im at around 10% bf, you can still see all my abs, and on my V you can see veins aswell as my shoulders and bis. strengths good, hit a PB of 140kg (308lbs) for 6 reps deadlifting yesterday, not bad for a 20 yr old. im not so much aiming for strength though, more aiming for 3-4 good sets of 8-15 reps, feeling the muscle work, obviously progressing in weight as each set goes by. I train each bodypart with around 6 exercises, abs twice a week and cardio 2 times a week for 40mins. Things could be better, obviously work gets in the way and i cant really eat at all on a 5hr shift but im pleased with whats happend so far.

Im going to do the anthony roberts pct wich is as follows:

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day


and heres the link, anthony roberts pct

thats what the general consensus was when i PMd a few helpful guys and asked around the forum, as its meant to be good on suppressive cycles, like the one ive done (with nearly 2g worth of anabolics through my body per week)

My question to you all is regarding the conflicting views on either 1, starting PCT immediatly, 2, starting the HCG immediatley and waiting 14 days until the test e gets out of my system (as decas 21 days will have already been past)before starting other compounds, or 3 waiting the 14days and then starting everything.

No matter what people say about Anthony roberts, some think hes a bullshitter etc, some of his research (if it is his) is very intresting. He also notes his pct on focusing on restoring normal and hormonal testicular activity rather then focuses on keeping gains. I belive though that with a good diet (obviously a bit more calorie dense during PCT - thanks for the heads up tai!) you can maintain most gains, and it will only be water that goes, so my pct would be focused more on getting the boys and my hormones back to the norm.

His research on here (look at the link) suggests to start PCT immediatley. But then if the test e takes 14 days to get out of your system, and the total PCT is 6 weeks, theres only 4 weeks of PCT if the first two are wasted by waiting for the test e to get out of your system, as your body will surely still be relying on artificial testosterone as your LH wont be producing agian yet will it? Or is that because the first two weeks whilst waiting for the foreign hormone to leave your body is about getting the testes back into natural production.

So, id like to know everyones views as to when i should start my pct really. Immediatley like roberts suggests, or wait 14 days for the half lifes to pass?

Thanks for reading, and any input that may be given.

yours in training,

Big T.

p.s il be getting bloodwork done after pct too to make sure everythings normal, my test is back normal and that im still fertile. I do want to have kids when im older! lol.

[Swifto]

Personally, I think one could start PCT immediately, but it will not cause the HPTA to recover fully, but possibly particially.

You shouldnt have to wait 14 days or 21 days (what ever the ester) as (in my opinoin) you should use a short ester to end your cycle with, or oral steroid . This way you'll have some sort of anabolic support leading to PCT and wont risk a decline in hormones and general catabolic state. Winstrol , Tbol, Dbol , Masteron or Test Prop/Suspension all spring to mind.

Another thing...

Whats your cycle experience? I'm guessing its minimal, hence your starting weight of "172lbs" (12-12.5 stone). Even then, someone your weight shouldnt be using so much gear. Total AS of 2g per week at your stats its radiculas.

Not to mention your "20 years old".

[WARMachine]

Prop should be pinned ED btw...

And your diet has WAY to many protein shakes...

500iu's of HCG a day is too much... 1500 a week is plenty.

You didnt really need the EQ, not to mention it should be run at least 14wks...

Start PCT VERY soon...

Lay off the cycle's for a while bro, im willing to bet your bloodwork is all f****d up...

Btw, the log was awesome, it was very detailed... Keep that up!

[Mazzive_T]

Personally, I think one could start PCT immediately, but it will not cause the HPTA to recover fully, but possibly particially.

You shouldnt have to wait 14 days or 21 days (what ever the ester) as (in my opinoin) you should use a short ester to end your cycle with, or oral steroid . This way you'll have some sort of anabolic support leading to PCT and wont risk a decline in hormones and general catabolic state. Winstrol , Tbol, Dbol , Masteron or Test Prop/Suspension all spring to mind.

Another thing...

Whats your cycle experience? I'm guessing its minimal, hence your starting weight of "172lbs" (12-12.5 stone). Even then, someone your weight shouldnt be using so much gear. Total AS of 2g per week at your stats its radiculas.

Not to mention your "20 years old".

being honest with you swifto i got into it all when i was 16. if you read my log theres more details towards the start, including all my previous cycle history, i dont get as much time to post now regrettably.

i do regret getting into it all at an early age, i should of focused on training and eating hard till i was in mid/late 20's

last summer i was 15st (225lbs) bt got really ill ended up in hospital for 3 weeks and went down to 172. and then i fell in love with a headworker who decided she didnt like me being big or training or "doing steds" and i loved her so much i packed everything in. If you read most of my log, or the posts ive done on this forum, youll get a better idea, i do mention her all the time, infact im seeing someone else now but still think about her every working minute of the day!

aw well thanks for the advice, take it easy, think il just run prop at 75mg/day for the two weeks im "waiting" for the enanthate ester to "leave" then start PCT.

I got legs and chest tomorrow!

T.

[Mazzive_T]

Prop should be pinned ED btw...

And your diet has WAY to many protein shakes...

500iu's of HCG a day is too much... 1500 a week is plenty.

You didnt really need the EQ, not to mention it should be run at least 14wks...

Start PCT VERY soon...

Lay off the cycle's for a while bro, im willing to bet your bloodwork is all f****d up...

Btw, the log was awesome, it was very detailed... Keep that up!

i know prop should be pinned ed, i did it in last cycle, but i do it EOD now though. just personal pref.

strange thing was my cycle history before this one was

1. 25mg dbol a day for 12 weeks

2. 25mg dbol a day for 12 weeks

3. 25mg dbol a day for 12 weeks

4. 100mg anadrol a day for 6 weeks

5. 750mg sus a week for 6 weeks with 50mg dbol a day

6. Test P 100mg day, NPP 50mg day, dbol 50mg day, for 6 weeks.

did start all too young, when i was 16, really shouldnt of. but the last time i had my test levels and liver enzyme values checked (after cycle 5 last summer) they were all within normal range.

i must apologise as i regret my log cant be as detailed as what it was and what it should be, im working a lot at the moment and barely get time to train and eat let alone post! but what time i do, i like telling people what i get up to, as you can tell lol so hopefully this next week time will free itself up and i can post a bit more, il make the extra effort to try be detailed this week, even if its just for one week.lol.

thanks for the positive comment and the advice.

take it easy

Big T.