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    Just finished cycle

    I'm coming off a Test En & tren Cycle. Took my last injection 6 days ago. My plan was to take 1000iu of HCG EOD starting tomorrow which would Lead up to when I planned to start Nolva/Clomid. After reading a bunch of threads I'm wondering if I timed the HCG wrong. I'm a little confused, advice please!

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    for starters, do you have testicular atrophy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    for starters, do you have testicular atrophy?
    I don't think so. I was running 500mg of Test for 10 weeks. As for size how much do your testicles actually shrink? My woman hasn't commented so I'm guessing they're size is still adequate.

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    I only use HCG on cycles where I atrophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    I only use HCG on cycles where I atrophy.
    I've never understood this rationale?

    You'll no doubt shutdown the HPTA when using androgens like Test, Tren and Deca at low doses, even for short peroids of time.

    So why not run it all the time? Not just when one loses testicular mass?

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    I guess I should have clarified my statement, I'm on year-round so shut down is not a concern. I cruise and blast, often when I blast my nads shrink and get sore if I don't use the HCG , but at the cruise dosage they are fine.
    Actually even when I did cycle, I only had atrophy when I used generous doses of a 19nor, otherwise I seemed to bounce back fine with nolva/clomid/aromasin pct. My rationale was simply to use the fewest compounds necessary to get the job done, but in retrospect you're probably right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    I guess I should have clarified my statement, I'm on year-round so shut down is not a concern. I cruise and blast, often when I blast my nads shrink and get sore if I don't use the HCG, but at the cruise dosage they are fine.
    Ah ha. Got ya.

    Although thats interesting. Your still shutdown, but on your HRT, your testicles dont seem to atrophy...

    Whats your HRT dose Big?

    I already assumed it, but its shows that losing testicular mass isnt a good indication of whether the HPTA is shudown or not.

    I suspect its the elevated estrogen that causes the atrophy...

    Do you use an AI? Do you still atrophy when using an AI?

    You got me thinking...

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    I cruise at 200mg/cyp year round, and my boys are full and plump, yet when I blast I bump the test up and throw in tren and sometimes mast, and my nads shrink. I found it quite interesting the first time it happened, because I figured I would be completely shut down just off the cyp, so I'm not sure why the atrophy occurs when it does. When I blast I use arimidex at .25eod, no ai on cruise. I finished the last blast cycle about 6 weeks ago, still on the cyp now, and my boys are back to their typical size now. I wish I had the education to fully understand why this happens the way it does.

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    OFF TOPIC but wanna hook us up with some pics now that you've completed your cycle.

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    I posted a recent bicep shot in the bicep thread a few days ago, I really don't look any different than the last pic in my profile. I plan to bulk in spring and I'll throw some pics up then to revel in my bloat lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    I cruise at 200mg/cyp year round, and my boys are full and plump, yet when I blast I bump the test up and throw in tren and sometimes mast, and my nads shrink. I found it quite interesting the first time it happened, because I figured I would be completely shut down just off the cyp, so I'm not sure why the atrophy occurs when it does. When I blast I use arimidex at .25eod, no ai on cruise. I finished the last blast cycle about 6 weeks ago, still on the cyp now, and my boys are back to their typical size now. I wish I had the education to fully understand why this happens the way it does.
    I'm going to try and find out.

    Is that you in your avatar? I thought that was Yates?

    What are your stats Big?

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    muffin u hav any pics too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    I'm going to try and find out.

    Is that you in your avatar? I thought that was Yates?

    What are your stats Big?
    nah, I've got some pics in my profile, I'm 41, 6'3" about 245lbs, about 10%bf.

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    how big are your arms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    nah, I've got some pics in my profile, I'm 41, 6'3" about 245lbs, about 10%bf (and hairy...!)
    See what I did there...

    Like me mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A2thej2008 View Post
    how big are your arms?
    very hairy
    just a touch over 20" in that pic

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