i hate pct / help me

[Probably]

Okay .. i am starting my first cycle next week and only thing left is pct .. i read alot but everything conflicting .. some say take nolva on cycle and hcg some say clomid and every thread have a diffrent opinion .. my cycle is set, diet is set, training is set , supplements set .. everything ready except PCT .. i cant make up a good one cauze i dont know which one to copy ..

i have Nolvadex , clomid, HCG, Proviron on hand .. and no .. i tried but i cant get my hand on another AI like aromasin or arimidex .. which really suck but yea ... also i have a lump behind my nipples .. not big but i think its there, which makes me scared of gyno ..

so now can u help me, telling me how and when to take nolva,clomid,hcg , proviron ?
my cycle is test-enan .. for 10 weeks

[Nooomoto]

Nolvadex and Clomid for 30 days starting during the last week of your cycle, you'll be fine.

[Probably]

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day


this one from the PCT by steroid .com thread.. u think i should do it and just replace the aromasine with proviron ?

[Probably]

well researched a bit , and proviron doesnt sound like a good AI .. idk what to do now .. i cant get my hand on any AI / too expensive for me .. what u guys recommend?

[gymnerd]

I hear ya man, there is a lot of contradicting info out there. I think alot of it depends on the cycle you have in mind IMO. Personally I would have got an ai before I got the hcg or provirion myself. Get everything in order before you start, if you don't have the money now I would wait till I had but that's just me.

[gymnerd]

BTW Proviron is not an AI at all.

[Probably]

Okay i got my hand on arimidex , ill use 0.25 mg/day for like 2 weeks then nolva for 2 weeks or depending on need .. for pct ill use clomid,nolva and arimidex, dunno when and how to use HCG .. and iget HCG and Proviron for like almost free.. but Arimidex costs me much .. like very much .. but wells i hope 0.25 mg does the job ..

[Gaspari1255]

Keep the arimidex on hand in case you need it, not 100% nessecery. Also, proviron is really only used to help keep gains (mild steroid .) A PCT consisting of Nolva/Clomid would be a good idea.

40/40/20/20
50/50/25/25

There's a lot of different ways to dose each of them, just an example.

[Probably]

proviron is good coz boosts libdo, also helps burning fat, and increase free test ( and i get it for free lul )

i am going on deca and test-e .. so i am afraid of aromatization, so may use arimidex EOD for some weeks on and some weeks off .. 0.25 mg only/day .. also my nolva/clomid pct are already set and i got them on hand.. now only idk what and when to use the hcg .. lul .. if i should use it anywya

[Gaspari1255]

proviron is good coz boosts libdo, also helps burning fat, and increase free test ( and i get it for free lul )

i am going on deca and test-e .. so i am afraid of aromatization, so may use arimidex EOD for some weeks on and some weeks off .. 0.25 mg only/day .. also my nolva/clomid pct are already set and i got them on hand.. now only idk what and when to use the hcg .. lul .. if i should use it anywya

Never heard of that.

[WARMachine]

proviron is good coz boosts libdo, also helps burning fat, and increase free test ( and i get it for free lul ) (Proviron shouldnt be used in PCT EVER! Its derived from DHT.)

i am going on deca and test-e .. so i am afraid of aromatization, so may use arimidex EOD for some weeks on and some weeks off .. 0.25 mg only/day .. Using the Adex on and off isnt gonna cut it. Youre estrogen level will be all over the place. Stick to .25mgs EOD until the day before you begin PCT.

also my nolva/clomid pct are already set and i got them on hand.. now only idk what and when to use the hcg .. lul .. if i should use it anywya (Not needed for this particular PCT. Stick with the Nolva/Clomid)

Nolvadex - 20/20/20/20

Clomid - 100/100/50/50

thats in mgs per day.^

[bladerunner9]

Nolvadex - 20/20/20/20

Clomid - 100/100/50/50

thats in mgs per day.^

Run Nolva 20 mg a week more afer finishing Clomid to prevent Estrogen rebound just if in case. REst you are good to go.

[WARMachine]

^ What rebound?

[bene7422]

Use nolva and clomid for pct,save hcg ,adex,proviron for on cycle use.

[Probably]

k .. here is what am gonna do guys , and thanks all for the help

Cycle is 10 weeks.

Test-E : week 1~8 .. 750mg/week ..
switching to test prop. last 2 weeks to start PCT earlier..
Deca week 1~6 200mg
Maybe Winstrol for 4 weeks ..
Proviron 25mg ed while ON cycle..
Also Arimidex 0.25mg everyday ..

PCT .. Arimidex 0.25 mg /day for 4 weeks
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20

what u guys think ? =)

and a silly question, should i inject deca in another day after injecting test or is it okay injecting say day/time?

[WARMachine]

Thats a poorly put together cycle.

And that PCT is no great.

Nolvadex reduces the effectiveness of Adex. So drop it from PCT.

Deca for 6weeks is so pointless. Especially at 200mgs. What are you expecting to gain from that? Also, why in the hell are you doing almost 1G a week of test? How many cycles have you done?


You know what, we need these stats.

age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

[Probably]

Hmm .. okay help me out?
i was going on 500mg of test but my friend who did couple of cycles told me 750 is almost the same regarding sides and so ..

age : 24
height :5'9
weight : 204 lbs
bf : 13~15
i am trying to cut so eating about 3000 calorie/day high protein , healthy fats and moderate carbs .. around 6~7 meals/day

lifting experience = over 3 years

cycle experience = non, this is my first
pct/estrogen .. did read alot, actually i read alot about all those stuff i did read tons of books about anabolics and steroids .. but pct and so ..alot diffrent opinion so idk what to really do ..

goal is like said, cut to around 6~8% bf

my cycle is 10 weeks so if i make deca more than that i may have to wait longer time to start pct? i can increase the amount i have alot of it ..

sorry for my ignorane and thanks for ur guidance

btw ur gyo preventation and etc thread is awesome ^^

[WARMachine]

Hmm .. okay help me out? (Sure thing bro!)
i was going on 500mg of test but my friend who did couple of cycles told me 750 is almost the same regarding sides and so .. (And you assumed, more Test = more gains right? )

age : 24
height :5'9
weight : 204 lbs
bf : 13~15
i am trying to cut so eating about 3000 calorie/day high protein , healthy fats and moderate carbs .. around 6~7 meals/day
(From your stats, your diet sounds ok. Watch the carbs on cycle, cause BF% is borderline.)

lifting experience = over 3 years

cycle experience = non, this is my first
pct/estrogen .. did read alot, actually i read alot about all those stuff i did read tons of books about anabolics and steroids .. but pct and so ..alot diffrent opinion so idk what to really do ..

goal is like said, cut to around 6~8% bf

my cycle is 10 weeks so if i make deca more than that i may have to wait longer time to start pct? i can increase the amount i have alot of it ..

sorry for my ignorane and thanks for ur guidance Not to worry, were all new to the game at some point you know?

Ok wanting to cut is no big deal. Id prefer a lean bulk so heres what id do.

At this point, we dont know how sensitve you are to Estrogen Related Side Effects, so id say hold off on the AI during the cycle. If ERSEs arise, Nolvadex will take care of them.

Now if youre looking to cut up id stick with a lower dose of Test and definitly stay away from the Deca as its notorious for added water weight for some users. Especially though with higher BF% which you are.

Something like the following would best suit your goals.

Test E - 200mgs 2xW for weeks 1-12
Winny - 50mgs ED for weeks 8-14

**On cycle Estrogen control, if needed**
Nolvadex at 10mgs a day thoughout the remainder of cycle and then up to 20mgs during PCT.

PCT begins two weeks after last shot.

PCT
Nolva - 20/20/20/20
Clomid - 100/100/50/50

Now this would be best for your current goals. 750mgs a week is ridiculous for a first cycle. If you need more than 600mgs a week to gain, its from two reasons.

1) Youve done more than 5+ cycles.
2) And/Or you diet or training sucks ass.

If youd be fine with ED injections, Test Prop would be even better as it is known to retain less water than different esters.

btw, thanks for the compliment for the thread!

Greatly appreciated!

[Probably]

me too, i was over 30% bf fat person before .. i cut down and bulked up .. but am fed up with the whole cut and bulk thing so i wanted to do a final cut then go on forever with clean bulk ..

k, problem i think i have a lump behind my nipples, not big, not hard, but i think its there.. so am scared a lil of gyno .. and ok dokie, got nolva on hand ..

what days to inject the test E?
okie for the winny

@nolva, roger

and i am fine with ed injections, but i already got rediciolus amount of test enanthate .. so i was planning to gon with test-E till last 2 weeks of cycle switch to test prop to decrease PCT waiting time, but i guess its okay if ill keep taking winny in this time ..

Thankks alot for the help again, i really appreciate it

[WARMachine]

No worries.

Definatly might wanna run Adex during the cycle is you already have gyno, as this will keep it from progressing.

Otherwise you run the risk of it getting worse.

[Probably]

Okie, i got it ready , thanks for all the info.

what does 0.25 mg Adex EOD mean? i know EOD stands for every other day, but what does that mean? which days of the week?