Sustain, Toco 8

[bnjf]

I've read nothing but positive things about these two products as an OTC pct for a mild cycle or some say even a heavy cycle. Higher labido test levels ect.. anyone heard about them or experience using these products?

[T-MOS]

NEVER use OTC for PCT...NEVER !!!!

Your HPTA is too important to trust to OTC Crap

there is NO such thing as a mild cycle shut down compared to a heavy cycle shut down. Shut down IS shut down

your gonna spend several hundreds for REAL STEROIDS , and then you want to skimp on the PCT which is MORE important that the steroids themselves.......thats just NOT SMART, sorry

[bnjf]

Sooo.. You've never heard of it urrr... Haha, I hear you bro. But I would disagree on do a four week cycle with test prop at 50mg eod being just as suppressive as test e @ 750mg per week for 12-15 weeks.

[T-MOS]

Sooo.. You've never heard of it urrr... Haha, I hear you bro. But I would disagree on do a four week cycle with test prop at 50mg eod being just as suppressive as test e @ 750mg per week for 12-15 weeks.

You are free to disagree with me all you want ! but until you can provide me PROOF that there such a thing as being PARTIALLY shut down, I won't buy it!!

You are either producing endogenous testosterone or you are NOT

If I am SHUT DOWN, after 4 weeks or 12 weeks, I want REAL PCT Compounds!!

Now, if you are saying that it may not take as long for the body to recover fully after a 4 week cycle compared to a 12 week cycle, then there I may agree with you but would still insist on REAL pct compounds to get my HPTA back up and running as quickly as possible

keep in mind , that it takes only ONE shot of Deca to completely shut you down too......

[bnjf]

I guess bloodwork would have to prove both our points. I see your point of view though. Thanks for the response. If anyone else has any info on these products let me know. I know there is mostly junk out there but the writings on these with experience info just caught my eye.

[T-MOS]

I think the problem you are gonna have here in gathering useful information is that all the Experienced users would never do OTC, so that leaves you with mostly only a pool of young kids that really don't know how to cycle to begin with ,so they may not be the best ones to know if there actually are any benefits to those products

but I guess we will see if anyone else will chime in for you

[bnjf]

Yeah I hear you. Another board who shall remain nameless has a sticky about it with many experienced users praising it.

[gettingBIGGERfast]

even rpimordial performance doesnt recommend using them as sole pct. They say use them in addition to a serm, ai, and hcg

[Swifto]

Your either producing endogenous T, your inhibited or shutdown.

I'm going to be trying PP's TRS stack and will state what I think about it soon.

I've read nothing but positive things on it and its the one OTC supp. that has merit. BW has shown it can raise endogenous T.

[gettingBIGGERfast]

I am just finishing PCT with which I included PP T-Recovery stack. I haven't gotten my bloodwork yet, by I can say I felt great through the whole pct. No recovery problems, workouts have been going great, no real libido issues. This all could just be coincidence, but I will definitely by trying it with next pct to see if the results repeat themselves.

[bnjf]

Your either producing endogenous T, your inhibited or shutdown.

I'm going to be trying PP's TRS stack and will state what I think about it soon.

I've read nothing but positive things on it and its the one OTC supp. that has merit. BW has shown it can raise endogenous T.

Well thanks for posting. Yeah it looks good to me from the feedback. I'm gonna try the stack as a stand alone and see what happens.

[gettingBIGGERfast]

why would you do that when serms and ais are just as inexpensive and readily available?

[Swifto]

why would you do that when serms and ais are just as inexpensive and readily available?

Why not make a PCT even more effective...

[gettingBIGGERfast]

Why not make a PCT even more effective...

I said, "why would you do that" to using these OTC products as a stand alone PCT. I am all for using them in addition to standard PCT to make it more effective

[OldnBold]

Use REAL adex, aromasin , letro and HGC, etc. Why **** around with someone's OTC shit?