PCT advice

[geneticallyAlpha]

hi there

going through my cycle now and i have been doing quite a bit of reading about when to start PCT and for how long dosages etc,

my question is because im doing a long estered test and a short ester tren
when should i begin my HcG Nolva/Clomid and Adex PCT

i cant get my hands on aromasin as i think that would have been the prefered to run it with Nolva.
and because of the nolva... do i have to run more a-dex as my understanding is it becomes less efficient when u combine the two together.

cycle breaks down to be
wk 1-6 d-bol 50mgs ED
wk 1-12 test e 500mgs
wk 1-12 tren a 150mgs EoD roughly 525mgs per week.

WHAT I WAS PLANNING
wk 12-14 (3 weeks) start HcG 500iu ED
wk 14-17 (4 weeks) novladex 20mgs ED
wk 14-17 (4 weeks) aromasin 25mg ED

now unfortunately i dont think i can get my hands on the aromasin even tho im only 2 weeks into cycle.

so i now i thought of running Nolva/Clomid together
WHAT I HAD TO CHANGE TO

wk 12-14 (3 weeks) start HcG 500iu ED
wk 14-17 (4 weeks) novladex 20mgs ED
wk 14-17 (4 weeks) clomid 100/50/50/50mg
wk 14-17 (4 weeks) arimidex .5mg ED?
Do i need to run more a dex to make it as originally efficient because the nolva decreases the efficiency of it?

thanks
peace

[geneticallyAlpha]

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please someone...

[FireGuy]

Scenario #2 looks fine but you could probably cut the clomid dose in half after the first week. Also, you should start two weeks after cycle (week 14) for Nolva/Clomid not one week.

[geneticallyAlpha]

oops yes i see about cutting the clomid in half my mistake

The other thing on my mind was... Do i have to increase my doseages of a dex because the nolva seems to drop the blood plasma levels of it...??

Dropping the nolva a week back thats because of the test ester and the norm wait time to be 14 days after last injection? That effectively means i can run my tren like a week to 11 days longer after my last test shot because of the 3 day wait time of the a ester (fina in the pct start time thread)!

Hmm can i still start hcg same time or would that change it around .

Still not sure when is correct time to run hcg due to tren use

so that effectively changes the start time of the nolva/clomid/a dex to week 14 (14 days after last test shot and 3 days after tren shot if i want to run it longer)
Thanks

[geneticallyAlpha]

so does anyone know if an increase in the a dex dose is needed because i have to run nolvadex along side it?
Also whats the correct start time for hcg for both situations if i were to end my tren same time as test shot and other scenario if i were to go a week longer with the tren?
I ask because i got it in my head that because tren is a 19-nor that running hcg along side of tren by itself could add to increased LH de-sensitisation which could be a very bad thing! Lol talk about paranoia

[geneticallyAlpha]

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[geneticallyAlpha]

kinda suprised that noone can help whats going on?

[geneticallyAlpha]

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[bene7422]

run the hcg thru your cycle not in pct and adex isn't good for pct the nolva clomid will be fine.

[T-MOS]

PCT would start at the beginning of week 15, NOT 14.

You are fine with JUST nolva/clomid for your PCT
run the HCG as you have planned

you don't need the arimidex in PCT

[geneticallyAlpha]

arimidex is not needed because of the clomid/nolva combo ?

my understanding was that an AI is quite important when running PCT
as most the stickies recommend an AI to lower estrogen when you come off?
we dont want zero estrogen either

only stickie which seems not to recommend an AI for PCT is swiftos...

[geneticallyAlpha]

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[WARMachine]

Nolvadex reduces the effectiveness of Adex.

Not great for PCT IMO. Aromasin is best for PCT. Adex is best for on cycle use.

Also, hCG isnt a good idea for PCT either. Use it BEFORE you begin PCT. Either throughout the cycle periodically, or near the end up until PCT begins.

hCG is supressive on its own. Not helpful in PCT for obvious reasons.

[geneticallyAlpha]

as per my original post

i was aware of the reduced effectiveness of the ADEX+NOLVA combo...

but i cannot get my hands on aromasin ...

thus... if i need to use an AI... it has to be adex... now

because im also using nolva... should i not use adex at all... or should i up the dosage of the adex to counter the lowered levels of the adex from the nolva?

does that make sense?

[WARMachine]

Yes it does. Id up the dose of the Adex if you are hell bent on using it.

[geneticallyAlpha]

thanks war machine...

just give us ur opinion on why i shouldnt use an AI in my pct?
it just seems to me counter-intuitive to not want to use an AI to keep Estrogen levels in check when coming off...
so other ppls opinions are always great for thinking things out.

off the top of my head... and i cant find it an article that quick... i think it was around 47% that the nolva reduced the blood plasma levels of the adex?

so im assuming a double dose of the adex would be in check to retain nominal amounts of adex when used in conjunction with nolva? e.g instead of .5mg recommended dose normally it be upping it to 1mg per day of adex?

[WARMachine]

off the top of my head... and i cant find it an article that quick... i think it was around 47% that the nolva reduced the blood plasma levels of the adex?

so im assuming a double dose of the adex would be in check to retain nominal amounts of adex when used in conjunction with nolva? e.g instead of .5mg recommended dose normally it be upping it to 1mg per day of adex?

Yes that would be a fair assesment.

just give us ur opinion on why i shouldnt use an AI in my pct?
it just seems to me counter-intuitive to not want to use an AI to keep Estrogen levels in check when coming off...
so other ppls opinions are always great for thinking things out.

I never said dont use an AI in PCT. I advocate its use actually, i just think Aromasin is the best AI to use period. Not a fan of Adex in PCT.

[geneticallyAlpha]

ok so because im stuck with a choice of adex...

the question is to use or not to use adex for my pct..

BTW
this may matter now..
i can get letro or teslac ??? *not sure of spelling*
are they preferd over adex in my situation

[geneticallyAlpha]

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[WARMachine]

I would never use Letro in my PCT.

It causes an estrogen rebound effect.

I would just run the Clomid, Nolva, and if you really want, the Adex at an elevated dose.

[geneticallyAlpha]

cool thanks
i just actually realized i have only been asking around for the aromasin by its trade name... might try asking a few more places by its actual chemical name... hoping i get some luck.
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