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Thread: Some combo of adex, tamox, clomid??

  1. 05-14-2009, 04:17 PM #1
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    Some combo of adex, tamox, clomid??

    I have the above 3. What combination (or all 3?) and at what doses for pct? I thought I had it all set, but when I looked back on here say that adex works against tamox. And I didn't think there was much point in taking clomid and tamox, since they're both SERMs with tamox being the stronger compound. Please, someone sort me out!
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  2. 05-14-2009, 04:21 PM #2
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    What are your stats ?? AGE weight ???

    Whats your cycle?? Is this your first cycle ??

    we need some feed back to help try to shoot ya in the right direction ...



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    Also keep in mind that nolva only only makes II AI's less effective ... It doesnt need to be present to continue doing its job on the aromatase enzyme .. unlike a a type II AI which is partially eliminated by nolva and unfortunately would need to be present to continue its aromatase in inhibition..

    Once a type I AI does its job the enzyme it is attached to is use less ..


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    28, 225lbs, 18% bf, 9 wks test e 500/wk (my supply hit a snag). Explain type I/type II AI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test pilot View Post
    28, 225lbs, 18% bf, 9 wks test e 500/wk (my supply hit a snag). Explain type I/type II AI
    AIs are categorized into two types

    Irreversible steroidal inhibitors such as exemestane form a permanent bond with the aromatase enzyme complex.
    Non-steroidal inhibitors (such as anastrozole, letrozole) inhibit the enzyme by reversible competition...

    So just as an example you could use say something like aromasin ( a type I AI) with nolva .. But a type II like adex will interfere with the blood plasma level of nolva ....


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  6. 05-14-2009, 04:47 PM #6
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    Should I just leave the arimidex off then? Is it worthwhile to use both the clomid and the tamox? Does arimidex interact with clompd the same way?
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    Or increase the dose of the tamox?
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    Cool

    No Adex and Clomid to not react the same way Adex and Nolva do. So youre fine there.

    However, if you do need to use Adex in your PCT, i could be done by just doubling the dose to .5mgs ED. (Merc didnt mention, Nolva reduces the effectiveness of Adex by roughly 40%. Same as letrozole)

    That is if you need to use Adex. Which i dont think you will need to.

    You can read my sticky on ERSEs and PCT. I go into AI use in PCT a little.

    WARMachine's thread on Estrogen Control, Gyno treatment, and PCT.
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=379916
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  9. 05-14-2009, 05:13 PM #9
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    btw, Merc explained everything quite well... As id assume.

    Youre living up to your rep brutha!
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  10. 05-14-2009, 05:15 PM #10
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    Sorry, I read your post wrong. Ok, after reading WarMachines post on PCT, it seems l-dex's efficacy is reduced by about 30%. So it's effective between .5 and 1mg/day. So tell me if I got this right:
    Clomid
    70-70-35-35
    Tamox
    40-40-20-20
    Dex
    1-1-1-1

    Will that work?
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    I would use Aromasin still...

    However, yes, .5mgs-1mg a day is sufficient.

    I would run the Clomid at about 100mgs a day as well.
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    Unfortunately i am at a time at which
    i can not really advise one pct over another .. i researched many and most will do the trick .. I have personally have had success using HCG , nlova and aromisin ( but like i said everyone is different )..

    Some do use clomid and nolva , but like you stated they are both SERMS.. and I personally never had great success with that combo ( but again everyone is different )..

    Yes clomid seems to also reduce adex blood plasma levels... * EDIT * WAR is correct because studies do conflict on this and that why I had originally worded it SEEMS ..

    I am the type who really likes to research VALID studies before i can make a opinion .. In the past few( say 3-5 years) we are learning new things that are showing us some of the old ways were wrong .. the amount of info that we have now just blows some of the old theories out of the water with solid proof .. As a researcher it is very time consuming work to make sure that everything is based accurately in a scientific way ..

    Well sorry for the rant I just am not convinced as of this time as to what is the best ...

    I will bump it for you for someone else who might be able to give you some good advise to use the compounds you have on hand ...


    BUMP for the protocol here ????



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    Quote Originally Posted by WARMachine View Post
    No Adex and Clomid to not react the same way Adex and Nolva do. So youre fine there.

    However, if you do need to use Adex in your PCT, i could be done by just doubling the dose to .5mgs ED. (Merc didnt mention, Nolva reduces the effectiveness of Adex by roughly 40%. Same as letrozole)

    That is if you need to use Adex. Which i dont think you will need to.

    You can read my sticky on ERSEs and PCT. I go into AI use in PCT a little.

    WARMachine's thread on Estrogen Control, Gyno treatment, and PCT.
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=379916
    From now on I am going to remember to refer ALL peeps to your sticky ... Please keep up all the GREAT work .. You have definitely done your home work ... Your sticky kicks arse ...

    Warmachine for VET ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARMachine View Post
    btw, Merc explained everything quite well... As id assume.

    Youre living up to your rep brutha!
    Tanks man .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merc1. View Post
    From now on I am going to remember to refer ALL peeps to your sticky ... Please keep up all the GREAT work .. You have definitely done your home work ... Your sticky kicks arse ...

    Warmachine for VET ...
    I try brutha! Some of youre articles are the inspiration for my thirst for knowledge.

    Thanks for the reps my friend! Its greatly appreciated!
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  16. 05-15-2009, 02:23 PM #16
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    Thanks all for the advice - I'll let you know how it turns out!
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