What is typical loss with good PCT after test cycle

[Slide]

I was curious how much muscle people typically lose after a test cycle at 500mg EW?

This is assuming a proper pct.

So if i gained about 30 lbs, will i keep half that?

[Swifto]

How long did you cycle last?

You cant physiologically gain 30lbs of LBM in 10-12 weeks.

[Vitruvian-Man]

I've said it before... You'll be lucky to keep 50%... and even then 15 pounds would quite a lot to maintain.

[Slide]

How long did you cycle last?

You cant physiologically gain 30lbs of LBM in 10-12 weeks.

Cycle was 14 weeks. I did gain a lot of LBM. I went up almost 30 lbs with very little fat gain. Granted some of that was water weight b/c of high estrogen, but the amount of weight isnt important. i was curious more about the percentage?

So is keeping 50% a pretty good rule of thumb? i know it is different with different cycles. Like a dbol only cycle you will lose almost everything...

[Swifto]

Cycle was 14 weeks. I did gain a lot of LBM. I went up almost 30 lbs with very little fat gain. Granted some of that was water weight b/c of high estrogen, but the amount of weight isnt important. i was curious more about the percentage?

So is keeping 50% a pretty good rule of thumb? i know it is different with different cycles. Like a dbol only cycle you will lose almost everything...

You wouldnt lose almost all your gains of Dbol if you used an AI and controlled estrogen.

If you've gained 30lbs, what was your start and end weight? Is this your first cycle?

[Slide]

Hey Swifto you actually commented on my thread about my gains. again some of this was water, but it was a gain of a solid 20-25 lbs. i would love to keep 10 to 15 lbs of it.

wow i grew on my cycle...

Start wieght 185-190
End weight 217

I have run HCG 250iu 3 times a week from mid cycle on. I am planning on running it at 500iu a day for 3 weeks in PCT along with:

Novla 20mg ED
Aromasin 25mg ED
Vitamin E

What are you thoughts about adding some clomid?

[Swifto]

Hey Swifto you actually commented on my thread about my gains. again some of this was water, but it was a gain of a solid 20-25 lbs. i would love to keep 10 to 15 lbs of it.

wow i grew on my cycle...

Start wieght 185-190
End weight 217

I have run HCG 250iu 3 times a week from mid cycle on. I am planning on running it at 500iu a day for 3 weeks in PCT along with:

Novla 20mg ED
Aromasin 25mg ED
Vitamin E

What are you thoughts about adding some clomid?

YOu should keep a fair bit with the correct diet, training and PCT meds. Dont train beyond failure and increase calories slightly. Also incorperate 2g VitC PWO and 1g in the AM.

Aromasin, or any AI for that matter, shouldnt be used during PCT. Aromotase is low so we dont want to further drive down estrogen levels.

You dont also need VitE, your not a rat....Are you?

Clomid is excellent at 25mg/ED. Studies conclude it raises endogenous T by 146%. No other SERM, I've seen, can claim that.

[markleedsfc]

So would hcg nolva and clomid be the best options for pct

[Slide]

Thankts Swfto. What are you thoughts on Cardio during PCT?

I usually do it 3 times a week for 45 mins. Should I cut it down to once a week?

[Swifto]

Thankts Swfto. What are you thoughts on Cardio during PCT?

I usually do it 3 times a week for 45 mins. Should I cut it down to once a week?

Keep it to low intensity IMHO. During PCT, I keep my HR around 125-140. No more.

Take 2g VitC PWO too.

[Slide]

Hey all so I just wanted to update. I am about three weeks into PCT and I am still 210-212 with about the same bf. I have been impressed at how strong I feel even when totally shut down.

I am runnng HGH at 8iu ED and IGF to help keep me anabolic . I don't know if it is the hgh, or if the gains were solid, but so far so good.

Thanks all for the advice on pct.