Took Nolvadex, massive loss of libido, PLEASE HELP, NEED ADVICE

**Humanzee** · 10-12-2009, 07:06 PM

Hey...I was on TRT for a month and then took Nolvadex 20mg daily for about two weeks (because I wanted to stop the TRT, I'm too young, I'm 26).

I have totally lost my libido (bad).

I know I shouldn't have taken it, but I did. I'm just asking for advice. This has me so depressed.

I started the Testosterone cream, it helped a lil, but not really. I made an appointment with an endo, and I'm also going to go see my TRT doctor tomorrow.

This is what I did.

August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%, 100mg daily.

Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a lil hair, and libido is gone).

October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg, daily.

October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg, daily.

And now I stopped the Test cream, waiting to see my doc.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

PS: I think my body has shutdown all natural test. production and this is causing the libido problems.

**charlesriley** · 10-12-2009, 09:57 PM

if ur gonna do a cream get dmso , then goto a feed supply store and get trenbolone mash em up and cream ur thighs i been doin this for 1 week and dropped from 13% to 10% and gained 4 pounds. also it does not aromatize or convert to dht, so no pct is needed although i probly will do a quick one to be safe. its my first cyle and i am gettin advice from a professional thats pretty known right now from the gym i workout at. he started me on it.

**Humanzee** · 10-13-2009, 06:23 AM

I really wish to stop everything, I know I might need the TRT since I started it, but would prefer to post pone it for as long as possible. Although I wasn't really on it for too long.

Any other suggestions?

PS: Thanks for responding.

**Swifto** · 10-13-2009, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Humanzee;4***656

I really wish to stop everything, I know I might need the TRT since I started it, but would prefer to post pone it for as long as possible. Although I wasn't really on it for too long.

Any other suggestions?

PS: Thanks for responding.

You've been on HRT for around a month?

Why are you on HRT?

Who put you on it?

Past cycles? How was recovery?

**tn9301** · 10-13-2009, 06:59 AM

a little HCG should do the trick. oh and TRT is crappy because the amount they use is too little for young guys

**Humanzee** · 10-13-2009, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto;4***675

You've been on HRT for around a month?

Why are you on HRT?

Who put you on it?

Past cycles? How was recovery?

No past cycles, I already posted what I did so far.

Yes only for a month, but I wanted to stop, so I took the Nolvadex .

I was on HRT because I was stupid, I wanted to do steroids , but couldn't get any, so I thought the TRT would help with some gains and I would cycle that. But in reality I don't need it and TRT doesn't work like that. My natural Test levels were 1056 one test, and 750 on another test. The Doc is a quack. He should have sent me out of the office, the day I came in. I'm also stupid for even going, but what's done is done.

I stopped taking everything, and I'm getting some bloodwork done (from the quack) and also I am going to an endo doc on Monday. I am hoping the endo doc can straighten everything out.

From what I am researching, it does seem like I need HCG to get normal again.

Do you guys think I'm doing the right thing, stopping everything (I know I'll feel like crap for a lil bit, have been until I took the last cycle of Test cream) and going to an Endo? He knows the situation and has agreed to see me.

I do know that I might never be able to get back to the levels I was at, but I hope so.

Any other suggestions?

PS: I know I acted stupidly about everything, but I feel like I'm doing the right thing now.

**Swifto** · 10-13-2009, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Humanzee;4***943

No past cycles, I already posted what I did so far.

Yes only for a month, but I wanted to stop, so I took the Nolvadex .

I was on HRT because I was stupid, I wanted to do steroids , but couldn't get any, so I thought the TRT would help with some gains and I would cycle that. But in reality I don't need it and TRT doesn't work like that. My natural Test levels were 1056 one test, and 750 on another test. The Doc is a quack. He should have sent me out of the office, the day I came in. I'm also stupid for even going, but what's done is done.

I stopped taking everything, and I'm getting some bloodwork done (from the quack) and also I am going to an endo doc on Monday. I am hoping the endo doc can straighten everything out.

From what I am researching, it does seem like I need HCG to get normal again.

Do you guys think I'm doing the right thing, stopping everything (I know I'll feel like crap for a lil bit, have been until I took the last cycle of Test cream) and going to an Endo? He knows the situation and has agreed to see me.

I do know that I might never be able to get back to the levels I was at, but I hope so.

Any other suggestions?

PS: I know I acted stupidly about everything, but I feel like I'm doing the right thing now.

I dont think you need HCG.

Your experiencing what bodybuilders go through in PCT. It will pass if your HPTA is functioning normally.

wk 1-3 Clomid 50mg/ED
wk 3-6 Clomid 25mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED

That should bring you back.

"1056" is an excellent total T level and so is "750".

Dont use anymore HRT, be in injections of Test, cream, gel, whatever.

Get LH, FSH, total T, free T, estrogen and prolactin tested.

**Humanzee** · 10-13-2009, 03:34 PM

I saw the TRT Doc. He actually seemed pretty knowledgeable, he told me to stop everything and gave me a bunch of blood work to do.

I am having it done tomorrow:

TSH

DHEA-Sulfate

Estradiol

IGF-1

Lipid Panel w/ Reflex DLDL

Testosterone Free and Total

CMP

LH

FSH

PSA, Total.

CBC

How does that blood work sound? Also gave me a script for Viagra.

I am starting to feel better about this, I guess the depression along with no libido really brought me down.

You guys have been great on here to me. Thanks for all the replies.

PS: Since I am getting the viagra, should I avoid sex because it might lower my test? Should I wait 2-3 more weeks? I heard about this on some forum. Also, didn't even charge me for the visit and I got a huge discount for the blood work, $ 340.00 (my insurance won't cover it).

**Humanzee** · 10-13-2009, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I dont think you need HCG .

Your experiencing what bodybuilders go through in PCT. It will pass if your HPTA is functioning normally.

wk 1-3 Clomid 50mg/ED
wk 3-6 Clomid 25mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED

That should bring you back.

"1056" is an excellent total T level and so is "750".

Dont use anymore HRT, be in injections of Test, cream, gel, whatever.

Get LH, FSH, total T, free T, estrogen and prolactin tested.

Why do you think I should use any more anti-estorgens (clomid). My E weren't really elevated that much from the TRT, and then I reduced them dramatically with Nolva?

**Humanzee** · 10-15-2009, 10:06 AM

Any other advice guys?

**Humanzee** · 10-23-2009, 02:01 PM

Here is what I did.

August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%, 100mg daily.

Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex -D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a lil hair, and libido is gone).

October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg, daily.

October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg, daily.

October 11: Stopped everything.

Test: Natural prior to TRT
Test, Total: 04/01/09 = 1068, 07/10/09 = 792.
Test, Free %: 04/01/09 = 2.09, 07/10/09 = 1.89
Free Test: 04/01/09 = 223.2, 07/10/09 = 149.7

Test: After Nolvadex and use of TRT (see timeline):
Test, Total: 09/25/09 = 989, 10/14/09 = 1106
Test, Free %: 09/25/09 = 2.08, 10/14/09 = 2.01
Free Test: 09/25/09 = 205.7, 10/14/09 = 222.3

Estradiol (I don't have a natural baseline):
Estradiol Free: Sept 25 = 0.83, October 14 = 0.89.
Estradiol, Free %: Sept 25=2.52, October 14 = 2.33
Estradiol, PG/ML: Sept 25=33, October 14 = 38

LH
Natural Level: 04/01/09 = 3.7
After TRT & Nolvadex: 10/14/09 = 10.9

IGF-1
Natural Level: 04/01/09 = 238
After TRT & Nolvadex: 10/14/09 = 235

Other Tests that show a large difference:
AST (natural): 04/01/09 = 29
AST (after Nolva & TRT) = 10/14/09 = 18
ALT (natural): 04/01/09 = 21
ALT (after Nolva & TRT) = 10/14/09 = 9
DHEA Sulfate: 04/01/09 = 413, 10/14/09 = 255

Everything else tested looks the same. The only big difference is the LH. The Nolvadex must have skyrockted it. I'll have more bloodwork done in a month.

I'm slowly feeling a little better. Libido is coming back slowly. I am thinking that was just a common side effect of the Nolva. I am worried about the LH, I am worried about having a negative feedback since it has risen dramatically and I read it can lead to testicular failure.

The TRT Doc told me to continue without nothing (don't want to touch anything again) and wants to see me in a month.

What do you guys think led to my loss of libido, depression and fatigue? I was completely healthy prior to TRT (dumb mistake, I know).

Thanks again!

**sp2000** · 06-22-2015, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Humanzee

Here is what I did.

August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%, 100mg daily.

Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex -D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a lil hair, and libido is gone).

October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg, daily.

October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg, daily.

October 11: Stopped everything.

Test: Natural prior to TRT
Test, Total: 04/01/09 = 1068, 07/10/09 = 792.
Test, Free %: 04/01/09 = 2.09, 07/10/09 = 1.89
Free Test: 04/01/09 = 223.2, 07/10/09 = 149.7

Test: After Nolvadex and use of TRT (see timeline):
Test, Total: 09/25/09 = 989, 10/14/09 = 1106
Test, Free %: 09/25/09 = 2.08, 10/14/09 = 2.01
Free Test: 09/25/09 = 205.7, 10/14/09 = 222.3

Estradiol (I don't have a natural baseline):
Estradiol Free: Sept 25 = 0.83, October 14 = 0.89.
Estradiol, Free %: Sept 25=2.52, October 14 = 2.33
Estradiol, PG/ML: Sept 25=33, October 14 = 38

LH
Natural Level: 04/01/09 = 3.7
After TRT & Nolvadex: 10/14/09 = 10.9

IGF-1
Natural Level: 04/01/09 = 238
After TRT & Nolvadex: 10/14/09 = 235

Other Tests that show a large difference:
AST (natural): 04/01/09 = 29
AST (after Nolva & TRT) = 10/14/09 = 18
ALT (natural): 04/01/09 = 21
ALT (after Nolva & TRT) = 10/14/09 = 9
DHEA Sulfate: 04/01/09 = 413, 10/14/09 = 255

Everything else tested looks the same. The only big difference is the LH. The Nolvadex must have skyrockted it. I'll have more bloodwork done in a month.

I'm slowly feeling a little better. Libido is coming back slowly. I am thinking that was just a common side effect of the Nolva. I am worried about the LH, I am worried about having a negative feedback since it has risen dramatically and I read it can lead to testicular failure.

The TRT Doc told me to continue without nothing (don't want to touch anything again) and wants to see me in a month.

What do you guys think led to my loss of libido, depression and fatigue? I was completely healthy prior to TRT (dumb mistake, I know).

Thanks again!

Hi
I know this is an old thread.
does anybody know if Humanzee has recovered.?