CLOMID/NOLVA vs. HCG

[wheninrome]

Whenever I ask questions about proper PCT it seems I get two schools of thought and would like to open up a post to air it out and see what will be.
It seems that the new school of thought is centered around HCG while the tried and true method is a Clomid/Nolva PCT. Please leave a post of what you use and why and any conclusions you have come to for or against either method. Thanks for your help. In the words of Big John McCarthy "Let's get it on!"

[tballz]

HCG is usually used for while 'on' cycle.

I've always used clomid/nolva for pct. That's the tried and true. I've also used hcg/clomid/nolva for pct.

[Valac]

+1 hcg while on cycle and the 2 weeks between cycle and pct than nolva(or torm)/clomid for pct

[KimboHalfSlice]

This topic has been done to death.

Here is the good way to use hCG:

Start taking hCG on the first day you start taking steroids.
Stop taking hCG on the last day you stop taking steroids.

Then you just do normal PCT with Clomifene and Tamoxifen.

That's the IDEAL way to use hCG.

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Now...
Let's say you didn't do things properly. Let's say you did a Deca-only cycle for 16 weeks without taking hCG, and your balls are the size of raisins.
In this situation, YES, it's advisable to use hCG during PCT in order to give your balls a boost.

However if your balls are already nice and healthy, using hCG during PCT will only serve to delay your own natural hormone system from getting back to normal. (Think about it, why would your body bother producing more Luetinising Hormone if the hCG is already doing that job).

[Swifto]

This topic has been done to death.

Here is the good way to use hCG:

Start taking hCG on the first day you start taking steroids.
Stop taking hCG on the last day you stop taking steroids.

Then you just do normal PCT with Clomifene and Tamoxifen.

That's the IDEAL way to use hCG.

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Now...
Let's say you didn't do things properly. Let's say you did a Deca-only cycle for 16 weeks without taking hCG, and your balls are the size of raisins.
In this situation, YES, it's advisable to use hCG during PCT in order to give your balls a boost.

However if your balls are already nice and healthy, using hCG during PCT will only serve to delay your own natural hormone system from getting back to normal. (Think about it, why would your body bother producing more Luetinising Hormone if the hCG is already doing that job).

Correct.

The is the only instance where HCG can be sued during PCT. To get the testis firing if one didnt use HCG on cycle.

[wheninrome]

Makes perfect sense to me. I asked the question because every time I asked I was told

A) why take HCG - just use Clomid/Nolva at the end /bad things happen with prolonged HCG /don't know much about HCG /etc.
B) HCG all the way through is the way to go
C) HCG all the way through with a Nolva kicker during PCT
D) see above

Just confused as hell. My thinking was why not do preventative maintenance on the boys during and leave the PCT to the proven Clomid/Nolva combo?

Anyone have any bad experiences with HCG in here?

[lifterjaydawg]

This topic has been done to death.

Here is the good way to use hCG:

Start taking hCG on the first day you start taking steroids.
Stop taking hCG on the last day you stop taking steroids.

Then you just do normal PCT with Clomifene and Tamoxifen.

That's the IDEAL way to use hCG.

------------------------------

Now...
Let's say you didn't do things properly. Let's say you did a Deca-only cycle for 16 weeks without taking hCG, and your balls are the size of raisins.
In this situation, YES, it's advisable to use hCG during PCT in order to give your balls a boost.

However if your balls are already nice and healthy, using hCG during PCT will only serve to delay your own natural hormone system from getting back to normal. (Think about it, why would your body bother producing more Luetinising Hormone if the hCG is already doing that job).

very good advice, I like to use both clomid and nolva for pct.

[Walnutz]

I like clomid and nolva for pct.

[bigpapabuff]

agreed I go with both clomid and nolva, its the pct that works best IMO.

[wheninrome]

Well, as ususal, the tried and true clomid/nolva combo has been spoken for. Thank you all for the input.

Do we have any HCG enthusiasts or detractors out there?

I'm thinking that as HCG is newer not a lot of people have used it and therefore not a lot of people speak up for the benefits/health issues or how they have used it and to what effect.

I realize this may have been "done to death" for some but I find just as much information one way as the other. I'd like some users to speak up and say how they've used it and how they've reacted.

If the only way to go is HCG during and clomid/nolva for PCT then why isn't this protocol for everyone? Why isn't everyone saying HCG during and Clomid/Nolva for PCT?

Is it because most are happy with the norm and set in there ways? i have run across posts of problems with HCG but don't know if they are valid or not because they isolated posts without much research to them.

Research suggests HCG is safe and an excellent contributor. But then again research also says that you shouldn't use clomid and nolva together and I also realize that the body doesn't always agree with research. The fact is besides some forward thinking research by Doc Scally on AAS use and his treatment of hypogonadal cases there is much disinformation and myth out there and as I haven't gleened all the info from the net on this subject and this is a forum for knowledge I'd like some more clarity_

If you are experienced with HCG I would like to hear your opinion. I would also like to hear if you've run across any short term or long term problems that are from the use of HCG.

Note: I am only speaking about proper use during a proper cycle and not using hypotheticals such as "what if i screwed up".

thanks for your input

[KimboHalfSlice]

On my first cycle of steroids, I did Testosterone on its own for 14 weeks. By the 14th week, my balls were like raisins and my cumshots were reduced to one little drop.

Now I'm on my second cycle, and I'm taking hCG this time. I'm on Week 10 now, my balls are doing alright and I can still shoot a cumshot.

I love hCG, I wouldn't imagine ever cycling again without it.

[wheninrome]

thanks, man. anyone else? hcg? anyone? bueller? bueller?

bumpity bump bump

[gitngunz]

There's a post 2 down from here that gives some kina scary possibilities with hcg, sounded good until I read that, now i'm not sure about it. It's titled interesting post on hcg, give that a read

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...&highlight=Hcg

[wheninrome]

exactly what i was referring to.. and as we don't have any more info on how long he cycled or his progress or as to what and where he obtained the HCG we are left in the dark.. frustrating as hell..

some people are all for it and claim it is the only way to go and their are so called protocols in place to use it but then you run along shit like that here and there..

if it was an isolated incident i wouldn't have posted this thread but there were two in that thread alone.. wish some more knowledgeable people would log on and add some clarity or opinion..

thanks for the post.

[gitngunz]

exactly what i was referring to.. and as we don't have any more info on how long he cycled or his progress or as to what and where he obtained the HCG we are left in the dark.. frustrating as hell..

some people are all for it and claim it is the only way to go and their are so called protocols in place to use it but then you run along shit like that here and there..

if it was an isolated incident i wouldn't have posted this thread but there were two in that thread alone.. wish some more knowledgeable people would log on and add some clarity or opinion..

thanks for the post.

I'm pretty new to all this n think Ima prolly stick to the tried n true, nolvadex n clomid, hell I don't even know if I need that for my cycle, let other ppl b the guniea pigs maybe as I learn more bout it I'll change my mind.

[wheninrome]

I'm also new to this and seeing how i'm 40 i really like the idea of keeping the system active instead of a full shutdown and a reboot_ it makes a lot of sense to me. That is why I am trying to get as much info on HCG as possible before I start the cycle.

And since I already have the HCG I guess i'll just wait and see what happens to the manberries and go from there.. thanks for popping in and good luck with the cycle..

[matcules]

I'm gonna give hcg a try on my next cycle and just use clomi and nolva for the pct I think my mind might change the more I read lol

[wheninrome]

let me know how it goes mat.. thanks.