Possible poor vision pct!

[fattywarbucks]

I have horrible vision 20/800, and would like to avoid the vision side effects of clomid as much as possible. I see the importance of including clomid due to clomids unique role as a serm that not only blocks estrogen from binding to receptors, but also fools the body into believing that estrogen has binded, thus initiating the natural release of the bodys testosterone . But again, I have vision issues and fear that standard protocall may be a bit much,

Here's my augmented clomid dose:
Attempt standard protocall at 100 to start
Or
Drop to 50 (or until sides clear or are acceptable) and add 3 grams of DAA per day

Reason (which I'm sure you've seen already):
http://www.ergo-log.com/dasparticacidtestosterone.html

I plan on using DAA once my pct is complete, but feel it may be over kill to when clomids standard dose is already 5xs as effective

Anythoughts

[shadey33]

Just run nolva for pct . should be fine

[fattywarbucks]

^^^^^
Nolva is great for reducing estro binding, but clomid is great for rehabing natural test production, which is why I see it as so important

[Half-Life 6]

they both are.... add an AI

[Bio-Active]

I have horrible vision 20/800, and would like to avoid the vision side effects of clomid as much as possible. I see the importance of including clomid due to clomids unique role as a serm that not only blocks estrogen from binding to receptors, but also fools the body into believing that estrogen has binded, thus initiating the natural release of the bodys testosterone . But again, I have vision issues and fear that standard protocall may be a bit much,

Here's my augmented clomid dose:
Attempt standard protocall at 100 to start
Or
Drop to 50 (or until sides clear or are acceptable) and add 3 grams of DAA per day

Reason (which I'm sure you've seen already):
http://www.ergo-log.com/dasparticacidtestosterone.html

I plan on using DAA once my pct is complete, but feel it may be over kill to when clomids standard dose is already 5xs as effective

Anythoughts

Run the clomid at 50 per day the first week in stead of 100. Take your pct meds before bed.

[RED26]

^^^^^
Nolva is great for reducing estro binding, but clomid is great for rehabing natural test production, which is why I see it as so important

Tamoxifen is a superior SERM when it comes to PCT and HPTA re-activation than clomid is.
This has been cientifically proven. You can search the studies yourself.

[CMonkey]

I too, did not want to deal with the possible vision sides of clomid. I used toremefine citrate instead, it was great, no vision sides and brought me back fast.

[fattywarbucks]

I too, did not want to deal with the possible vision sides of clomid. I used toremefine citrate instead, it was great, no vision sides and brought me back fast.

Nice, I had no clue about this. Thanks

[fattywarbucks]

I too, did not want to deal with the possible vision sides of clomid. I used toremefine citrate instead, it was great, no vision sides and brought me back fast.

Also, what kind of dosing did you use?

[fattywarbucks]

Tamoxifen is a superior SERM when it comes to PCT and HPTA re-activation than clomid is.
This has been cientifically proven. You can search the studies yourself.

Tamox is a far stronger/more effective serm in a dose to dose ratio. And tamox is also LH stimulating powerhouse, but clomid also provides benefits, outside of just functioning as a serm, that differ from nolva, which is why its generally best to include both. According to Dr. carlon colker, clomid is extremely effective in its off-label use of improving low sperm counts, and has been shown effective in dose of 25-75mg.

[CMonkey]

Also, what kind of dosing did you use?

My PCT looked like this:

Torem: 90/60/60/60
Nolva: 20/20/20/20

Me and Nolva don't get along very good. It makes me real moody at higher dosages, hence the lower first week dosage.

[RED26]

Tamox is a far stronger/more effective serm in a dose to dose ratio. And tamox is also LH stimulating powerhouse, but clomid also provides benefits, outside of just functioning as a serm, that differ from nolva, which is why its generally best to include both. According to Dr. carlon colker, clomid is extremely effective in its off-label use of improving low sperm counts, and has been shown effective in dose of 25-75mg.

I've been searching about this for approx. an hour... And havent found anything substancial about this extra benefits from clomiphene in PCT, especially about this doctor, there's no much info out there concening his theories.
Do you have some info. that you could share to us please?

Me and Nolva don't get along very good. It makes me real moody at higher dosages, hence the lower first week dosage.

What do you mean with "moody"? Does it makes you sad? angry? just temperamental?

[fattywarbucks]

My PCT looked like this:

Torem: 90/60/60/60
Nolva: 20/20/20/20

Me and Nolva don't get along very good. It makes me real moody at higher dosages, hence the lower first week dosage.

Thanks a lot bro.

[CMonkey]

What do you mean with "moody"? Does it makes you sad? angry? just temperamental?

I get short tempered when I take dosages higher than 20mg/day.

[fattywarbucks]

I've been searching about this for approx. an hour... And havent found anything substancial about this extra benefits from clomiphene in PCT, especially about this doctor, there's no much info out there concening his theories.
Do you have some info. that you could share to us please

Here's a nice comparison between the two's differences and benefits, and it comes from a source close to home:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

Ill get you another article as well, but split the posts since I'm on my phone

[Lavinco]

Increase Vitamin A intake via Cod Liver Oil could maintain vision.