Realising i made a mistake and need advice

[aussie_seth]

Hey guys

Here is the problem... I started a cycle thinking all i needed was tamo for pct and later realised i probably needed HCG. The problem is i have found it so hard to get HCG i have basically given up.

I have been on sus 500mg/week 10 weeks
cyp 500mg/ 10 weeks
and finishing on some left over test e 250mg week to taper down.

Before you smash me for stacking these compounds you have to understand that this is all i could get... really i dont have the luxury of what 95% of you guys can get.


Im 25, been bodybuilding for 7 years, and this is my third cycle. The previous cycles were sus 500mg week 1o weeks and second was test e 500mg week 10 weks. I pulled up fine after using tamo for my pct for these...

My diet is very clean, im 108kg or 241 pounds and bodyfat is 15%.

Now a couple of questions i have:

1. Will I be able to pull up ok only using tamo as pct?
20mg a day for 4 weeks?

2. If not any other suggestions (please keep in mind I live in australia ) and i am new here so i dont have many "sources".

3. All advice would be appreciated as i know i am going to cop some slack but i honestly wish i had the "resources" you guys have.

seth

[Vitruvian-Man]

If tamoxifen is all you've got on hand, then I would just do this:

40mg first two weeks; 20mg next two weeks; 10mg last week.

Make it a 5 week PCT.

Can you get clomid? if you can add that w/ the tamoxifen you should recover 100%

(IE) clomid @ 100/75/50/25mg

Nothing to worry about bro, hcg isn't vital imo for a cycle of this nature.

-VM

[aussie_seth]

Thanks for the promp response VM.
I have been sweating on writing this thread.

I will try and get some clomid asap as i think i might be able to, i just wasnt sure if it was worth stacking the both. At lease I will sleep easier tonight!

So if a cycle of this nature is not vital for hcg what is? Sorry just so i know so i dont push the boundaries?

Thanks seth

[Aussiebb]

You can do the best pct in the world, and you will still lose weight post cycle.

I run 100mg nolva and 100mg clomid last day after injection for weeks and i still lose weight.

Just because you take pct doesnt mean you will hold all your gains.

So either get some nolva and clomid, or do the clomid with arimidex.

Maybe try some tribulus.

[6ft5]

You will loose weight. Almost everyone does. Keep your diet big threw pct and then cut it to maintain IMO. What's your stats before and after. Gram wk for 10wks wow. How much size did you put on?

[aussie_seth]

yeah i understand that i will lose gains and have high strength trib to assist.

So taking the nolva and clomid straight after my last injection is not a waste even though the test e will still be in my system... is it not best to wait 2 weeks after that last injection or is this a myth?


Diet stays clean but large year round so thats no drama.

I put on about 8kg's so about 20 pounds i think so far. I keep the same diet as i do not like to lose my abs. When i cycle i do take more aminos and shakes to compensate for the extra absorbtion.

[aussie_seth]

also if anyone knows of any good online site for clomid can you let me know?
I guess its best if you pm me so it doesnt end up on the thread?

[6ft5]

Let a vet help you with pct timing. I think its 2weeks after E and C to start. You can get pct chems at ar-r, I heard they are legit, a lot.

[aussie_seth]

yeah i was just having a look at them now.. i guess if they are the only option i have for clomid its better than nothing.

[j4ever41]

pct 14 days after test e.

[j4ever41]

You can do the best pct in the world, and you will still lose weight post cycle.

I run 100mg nolva and 100mg clomid last day after injection for weeks and i still lose weight.

Just because you take pct doesnt mean you will hold all your gains.

So either get some nolva and clomid, or do the clomid with arimidex.

Maybe try some tribulus.

damn bro thats an awful high dose of nolva!

[aussie_seth]

has anyone tried to get ar-r stuff into australia?

[Vitruvian-Man]

Thanks for the promp response VM.
I have been sweating on writing this thread.

I will try and get some clomid asap as i think i might be able to, i just wasnt sure if it was worth stacking the both. At lease I will sleep easier tonight!

So if a cycle of this nature is not vital for hcg what is? Sorry just so i know so i dont push the boundaries?

Thanks seth

Sorry been away for the last couple of days on a business trip.

HCG is generally used for longer cycles (IE) 10 - 12+ weeks. Also, I find it very useful to incorporate when one is VERY shut down. (IE) using 19-nors like Deca or NPP in a cycle.

For a simple test only cycle, then 2 SERMs will suffice.

You can do the best pct in the world, and you will still lose weight post cycle.

I run 100mg nolva and 100mg clomid last day after injection for weeks and i still lose weight.

Just because you take pct doesnt mean you will hold all your gains.

So either get some nolva and clomid, or do the clomid with arimidex.

Maybe try some tribulus.

^^ this is in no way how you should run a PCT. You have to wait for the esters to clear prior to commencing the PCT, or else it's counterproductive to the main goal of HPTA recovery, seeing as there are still suppressive compounds lingering in your body. (especially when using 1 day after last injection, when peak testosterone levels will be quite elevated.)

-VM

[aussie_seth]

thanks vm... makes things very clear now

[Aussiebb]

Yeah v-man.

I try diff methods to see what works for me.

I hold gains better when i start pct earlier.I guess its everybodies choice to choose when to do pct.

[toothache]

has anyone tried to get ar-r stuff into australia?

Go to the ar-r section and there is posts from other aussie customers. Looks like getting clen is difficult.

[nitrojs]

If you need some PCT perscription drugs just go to a bulk billing doctor and ask for the perscription. They can't deny you good health.

I got a perscription for Nolva from doctor. He just asked me how much I wanted and gave me a little lecture on the use of AAS.

[cimcimma1]

If you need some PCT perscription drugs just go to a bulk billing doctor and ask for the perscription. They can't deny you good health.

I got a perscription for Nolva from doctor. He just asked me how much I wanted and gave me a little lecture on the use of AAS.

What is a bulk billing doctor?