VETs... give me hand with this

**jg2** · 06-06-2010, 11:00 AM

just need a quick hand with a new problem...

currently on tren /prop/winny... ed and GH 2 iu ed

9 days in i got sore nips... i have been doing cycles for years and with pcts have never had this prob or any gyno ever..

new cycle to me so just in case i bought letro , liqudex , nolva and clomid to keep on hand just in case shit happens..

started 40 mg of nova 2 days ago to take care of the gyno but after days of reading im 2nd guessing myself on what i should be taking... keep thinking it should be the liquidex now...

what should i do...

keep the nova at what i was always told 40mgs for 3 days then 20 mgs for 4 days... or do i need to switch?

35 years old
5' 9" 218

PLEASE HELP...

**jg2** · 06-06-2010, 11:57 AM

come on ... somebody !

RED ?

TITANIUM ?

MARCUS ?

**jg2** · 06-06-2010, 01:32 PM

come on

**jg2** · 06-06-2010, 03:53 PM

everybody sleeping

**Bio-Active** · 06-06-2010, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by jg2

just need a quick hand with a new problem...

currently on tren /prop/winny... ed and GH 2 iu ed

9 days in i got sore nips... i have been doing cycles for years and with pcts have never had this prob or any gyno ever..

new cycle to me so just in case i bought letro , liqudex , nolva and clomid to keep on hand just in case shit happens..

started 40 mg of nova 2 days ago to take care of the gyno but after days of reading im 2nd guessing myself on what i should be taking... keep thinking it should be the liquidex now...

what should i do...

keep the nova at what i was always told 40mgs for 3 days then 20 mgs for 4 days... or do i need to switch?

35 years old
5' 9" 218

PLEASE HELP...

Have you ever ran Tren before? Stats?

**stevey_6t9** · 06-06-2010, 07:35 PM

dont take any nolva it will make it worse. start at .25mg ed of your liquidex and when your sides go lower it down to eod.

**jg2** · 06-08-2010, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by stevey_6t9

dont take any nolva it will make it worse. start at .25mg ed of your liquidex and when your sides go lower it down to eod.

thanks... bro

and to answer the other question yes i have ran tren but not this amount with this many compounds..

thanks for the help

**cimcimma1** · 06-09-2010, 01:39 AM

Why will nolva make it worse? I thought running nolva on cycle was pretty standard.

**Xtralarg** · 06-09-2010, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by stevey_6t9

dont take any nolva it will make it worse. start at .25mg ed of your liquidex and when your sides go lower it down to eod.

Not necessarily true for nolva, for some it works fine for others it doesnt, its down to the individual.

**stevey_6t9** · 06-09-2010, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

Not necessarily true for nolva, for some it works fine for others it doesnt, its down to the individual.

ah ok..

ive just always read that nolva makes the proges. receptors more sensitive thats all.

**Xtralarg** · 06-09-2010, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by stevey_6t9

ah ok..

ive just always read that nolva makes the proges. receptors more sensitive thats all.

Its fine to use nolva and 19-Nors

Nolva will down-regulate the progesterone receptor in breast tissue, not up-regulate it.

**stevey_6t9** · 06-09-2010, 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

Its fine to use nolva and 19-Nors

Nolva will down-regulate the progesterone receptor in breast tissue, not up-regulate it.

ahh i see, you learn something new everyday.

what about prolactin gyno, thats where caber comes in?

**Xtralarg** · 06-09-2010, 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by stevey_6t9

ahh i see, you learn something new everyday.

what about prolactin gyno, thats where caber comes in?

Nolve cant treat prolactin induced gyno it will treat estrogenic gyno or progestenic gyno.

Like you say cabergoline will treat prolactin, it works by stopping the brain from making and releasing the prolactin hormone from the pituitary, I hope this helps to make things clearer bro.

**Matt** · 06-09-2010, 07:27 AM

Ive had great success using nolva along side tren and know many that subscribe to its use along side 19-nors...

**Swifto** · 06-09-2010, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

Not necessarily true for nolva, for some it works fine for others it doesnt, its down to the individual.

Correct.

Originally Posted by stevey_6t9

ah ok..

ive just always read that nolva makes the proges. receptors more sensitive thats all.

I've been telling you this for a while now.

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

Its fine to use nolva and 19-Nors

Nolva will down-regulate the progesterone receptor in breast tissue, not up-regulate it.

Not all the time. 6-7 times out of 10 it will cause down regulation IMO.

In most normal settings, Tamox will down regulate the PgR as the ER is down regulated aswell.

Originally Posted by 007

Ive had great success using nolva along side tren and know many that subscribe to its use along side 19-nors...

Good to hear. Many do.

Its most bro-logic and parrotting that perpetuates this Tamox/19-Nor fallacy.

**jg2** · 06-09-2010, 10:08 PM

ok after i read this i stopped my nova and have been taking the dex at .25 everyday.... there still tender and sore... im still running the dex... have all the other stuff on tap aswell... what should i do people

**amcon** · 06-09-2010, 10:37 PM

here is the prob... you taking losts of shti - you need to find out what is causing it...

till then take the letro and that will hammer any gyno...

also, look in to and study cabergoline, it will help with any gyno caused by progestrone (from the tren )

**amcon** · 06-09-2010, 10:39 PM

i had good success with letro and soar nips...

used for tren cycle and the anadrol using now - fyi

**stevey_6t9** · 06-10-2010, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Correct.

I've been telling you this for a while now.

by meaning ive read it in a few studies. ill post a few for ya.
this by all means isnt to create an argument, i just like seeing thinks from varied perspectives.

Does tamoxifen change oestrogen and progesterone receptor expression in the endometrium and breast?

U KarckaCorresponding Author Informationemail address, F Kommossb

Abstract
with a trend towards a higher proportion of receptor positive specimens during tamoxifen.

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here another study with a study showing increases in the PgR with a table also comparing before and after adminisration of tamox.

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cg.../40/5/1750.pdf

**Swifto** · 06-10-2010, 01:29 AM

As I've previously stated, the endometrium or uterous is a tissue highely sensitive to estrogen. Tamoxaifen behaves as an agonist, not antagonist. Therfore an upregulation of ER and PgR is seen.

In a normal, healthy subject, Tamoxifen will down regulate the ER in breast tissue. Because the PgR iis synthesised in response to the ER, it follows suit 8-90% of the time.

Some studies show upregulation, but there in breast cancer patients and are not conclusive or consistant at all.

**jg2** · 06-10-2010, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by amcon

i had good success with letro and soar nips...

used for tren cycle and the anadrol using now - fyi

letro it is cause you hit the nail on the head... previous cycle had 45 days at 100mgs of anadrol in it...

what was your doses of letro... ?

thanks for the input everyone.

**kameng_41** · 06-10-2010, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

As I've previously stated, the endometrium or uterous is a tissue highely sensitive to estrogen. Tamoxaifen behaves as an agonist, not antagonist. Therfore an upregulation of ER and PgR is seen.

In a normal, healthy subject, Tamoxifen will down regulate the ER in breast tissue. Because the PgR iis synthesised in response to the ER, it follows suit 8-90% of the time.

Some studies show upregulation, but there in breast cancer patients and are not conclusive or consistant at all.

i agree, tamoxifen competes 4 d receptors/lowers the estrogenic activity and does not actually lower the aromatizing of testosterone ...

**jg2** · 06-10-2010, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by kameng_41

i agree, tamoxifen competes 4 d receptors/lowers the estrogenic activity and does not actually lower the aromatizing of testosterone...

i stopped the tamox instantly... as someone stated it would make it worse... which it fukn did... or the amount im running is still amping my estro up... either way i always did pct as a precaution and never cause i waited for the symptoms... well i have the symptoms and im freaking out... i work my ass off and try do it right so im willing to try what will stop my soreness now..

still would like to know what people recommend as a dose for the letro?

**kameng_41** · 06-10-2010, 01:53 PM

the dose was somewere around 1.25 -2.5 mg per day, but sometimes even 1.25mg works well every other day

**jg2** · 06-10-2010, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by kameng_41

the dose was somewere around 1.25 -2.5 mg per day, but sometimes even 1.25mg works well every other day

thanks

**amcon** · 06-11-2010, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by jg2

letro it is cause you hit the nail on the head... previous cycle had 45 days at 100mgs of anadrol in it...

what was your doses of letro... ?

thanks for the input everyone.

Originally Posted by kameng_41

the dose was somewere around 1.25 -2.5 mg per day, but sometimes even 1.25mg works well every other day

Originally Posted by jg2

thanks

im 260 lbs and did 2.5 mg ever day for a week and no issued after that... well, they are a little puffy but no soarness or pain...