PCT for coming off TRT? URGENT

[lowtestsucks]

Turns out I have something else going on and should never have gotten on TRT. I am 23.

I had normal LH (middle of the range), really high DHEA, and low testosterone .

Doc put me on 100 mg test-c a week with no HCG . Although at one point I overdosed and ended up with 1350 test when the range tops out at 800.

I have been on test-c for 6 months and desperately need to come off it. Please help me get my body working again. What all do I need to do to get off this shit?

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...le-therapy.htm

Which kind of makes sense, although 3 weeks of HCG seems like it would zap LH production to 0, but the Nolvadex is supposed to cure that.

So basically what he is doing there is using HCG to restart the testes, and putting in Nolvadex to combat the reduction of LH, and then adding in the other inhibitor to combat estrogen. Does that sound good? I like his strategy and I definitely think that HCG needs to be in this.

[CMB]

I would ask swifto he is the expert on these types of things...

However I may warn you since you have already started trt w/ low testosterone and you've been giving yourself 6 months of suppression complete recovery may not happen very soon. I would run an aggressive, long pct consisting of Clomid, Nolva, and hcg . Even after you come off of pct, continue to run nolva at 10mgs everyday for a couple months to keep your testosterone as high as possible and to try and kick start your hpta.

Good luck. Check with swifto for the pct dosages and such.

[MACHINE5150]

its going to have to very agressive.. and still might not work. i would sue the doctor for this, because even though you may not have needed it before.. you might now

[lowtestsucks]

WTF!! This guy told me I could come off at anytime and I could get back to what I was before supplementation!! Are you guys serious? Why is my condition so much worse now than you guys that are doing cycles?

You don't think 3 weeks of HCG + 6 weeks of nolva/clomid is enough? This is so ****ed up, but I know I can't stress myself out otherwise it will just make things worse. I will consider talking to a lawyer. I mean shit if my DHEA and LH were OK, there had to be something else going on. The doc didn't even request more labs, he just gave me the script and said we will meet up again in 6 months to see if you want to keep going.

How can I get in contact with swifto?

I was thinking

1000 HCG every other day for 3 weeks, or 500 everyday, maybe frontloading?
20mg Tamox + 40mg clomid ED for 6 weeks.

Then if that doesn't work try it again maybe mixing in something else?

Please I need to know the dosage as that endo is ****ed up and I am only seeing a GP tomorrow. I HAVE to get these meds going ASAP.

I know to get HCG, Toremifene, and Tamox.

Also another question:

I am going to be starting a bunch of antibiotics soon, will that interfere with the PCT? Should I do the PCT first?

Another edit:

What other supplements should I be taking? I'm taking a multivitamin, vit-D, fish oil. Good diet.

[lowtestsucks]

Here's something else I found

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thought i would share. just came off a long low dose cycle (6 months running between 250-500 testE/wk with some tren thrown in for the last 8 weeks ~75mg eod.). used hcg at 500iu eod for two weeks between the last shot and beginning pct. also ran toremifene citrate at 60mg/day for those two weeks. at the end of the two weeks bumped the dose of tor up to 180mg/day for two weeks, then down to 120mg/day for a week, now taking 60 mg day at 4 weeks into pct. ph yea, also taking 1 cap rebound-xt/day. i plan to continue for at least 2 more weeks.

libido is back in swing, boys hanging low and i feel great. this is my third cycle in about 6 years, and the easiest pct by far. almost too easy. the combination of getting the balls back up in size and then the high dose tor is like magic.

oh yea, at 180mg of tor i almost had wet dreams. seriously. and i am 32 years old

Read more from the MESO-Rx Steroid Forum at: http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/stero...#ixzz14kzpLA8g
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So what about 500iu of HCG and 60mg of tore for 2 weeks, and then 120/80/40 of tore only for the remainder? Maybe through some clomid in with the tore for the last 3 weeks?

[ronnieboy]

i did an 11 month cycle, used hcg 500 eod for around 10 weeks, nolva for another 4 (12 weeks total pct). i had minimal loss in strength and size. by the way, the WEEK i came off juice which i had planned 2 months in advance, i ended up in the hospital having my appendix removed and a hernia sewn up. no training for 1 month immediatly after coming off. at the end of it all i only lost approx 5% of my strength which came back shortly after.

the msg im giving you is that your dr. may be right. after all, he is kinda, you know, a doctor isnt he?

[bigslick7878]

Turns out I have something else going on and should never have gotten on TRT. I am 23.

I had normal LH (middle of the range), really high DHEA, and low testosterone .

Doc put me on 100 mg test-c a week with no HCG . Although at one point I overdosed and ended up with 1350 test when the range tops out at 800.

I have been on test-c for 6 months and desperately need to come off it. Please help me get my body working again. What all do I need to do to get off this shit?

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...le-therapy.htm

Which kind of makes sense, although 3 weeks of HCG seems like it would zap LH production to 0, but the Nolvadex is supposed to cure that.

So basically what he is doing there is using HCG to restart the testes, and putting in Nolvadex to combat the reduction of LH, and then adding in the other inhibitor to combat estrogen. Does that sound good? I like his strategy and I definitely think that HCG needs to be in this.

How in the hell did you get on TRT at age 23?????

[lowtestsucks]

Not sure, I went in cause my test was low, but I had other problems. I have Crohn's disease and some other shit which was entirely untreated, causing my body to constantly be fighting off infections, sapping my DHEA, leading to low test. This endo didn't do any tests just put me on it. At that point I was willing to try anything, but the roids just made it worse. All I can say for all you young guys (and older guys) out there... try everything you can think of before going on TRT! Don't just talk to your GP and an endo. Western medicine sucks ass unless you come down with an easily diagnosed disease. For systemic problems you will only feel worse.

[tjax03]

Not sure, I went in cause my test was low, but I had other problems. I have Crohn's disease and some other shit which was entirely untreated, causing my body to constantly be fighting off infections, sapping my DHEA, leading to low test. This endo didn't do any tests just put me on it. At that point I was willing to try anything, but the roids just made it worse. All I can say for all you young guys (and older guys) out there... try everything you can think of before going on TRT! Don't just talk to your GP and an endo. Western medicine sucks ass unless you come down with an easily diagnosed disease. For systemic problems you will only feel worse.

Yea you should really look into eastern medicine for your Crohn's. I hear that tiger semen works wonders for bowel disease.

[ronnieboy]

so why do you need to come off the TRT? i dont understand why TRYING to go back to your normal low levels is a good idea?