set me strait please

[Farbeyondriven]

Im ready to order meds and need to make sure i get what i need, i plan to use arr. stats are
36 y o
6.0 tall
225 lbs
25% bf (i know its high, workin on it now)
training for years off and on solid past 12 months
goals. . .lose fat gain muscle, same as every man alive.
plan to run 500mg test cypinate per week for 12 weeks and start nolvadex/tamoxifen 20/20/10/10 about 12 days after last pin. do i need an ai during the cycle or during pct or bolth? if so which? and how to run? ive been readin my azz off but still comin up short on this one. thanks in advance. and this site is great. ive learned so much in the past few months!

[D7M]

I'd wait to cycle till you get that body fat down to a decent level bro

[Hitman Heimler]

I agree with D7M, as you're a little on the high side.
Do some reading here, http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...DIET-QUESTIONS, for any diet questions.

You may decide to go right ahead, so if you do, then you will want to have an AI, or at least enough AI, in case of any gyno issues as you go along. Being honest, you need to read up some more on how to run questions and the like.

[Far from massive]

Definatly make sure you don't get gyno...cause with that boat in rough water your tits would hurt like hell....thats a compliment on the boat not a jab at your BF.

[Farbeyondriven]

I'd wait to cycle till you get that body fat down to a decent level bro

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ule&highlight=
post 11,12,26, and on

[D7M]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ule&highlight=
post 11,12,26, and on

And?

I never said you'd get gyno by cycling at a higher body fat.

Of course you can cycle at higher body fat (+15%).

But if you're cycling for aesthetic reasons, which most of us are,

Then you'll be in a much better position to build muscle if you're leaner.

So, yes, you can run a "cutting" cycle at 20% bf and lean down to 10%.

But imo, you'll be much better off if you prime hard, lean out, then hit a cycle hard and add some quality muscle.

[Farbeyondriven]

Definatly make sure you don't get gyno...cause with that boat in rough water your tits would hurt like hell....thats a compliment on the boat not a jab at your BF.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...highlight=gyno
post 10, 11,


now i dont want to argue fat will help grow boobs or not, i thank you all for your opinions and concerns, however the point i want to make is as far as you want to read threads (i bet i have read around a hundred so far) just about this, you will find confilcting info and opinions on gyno, and use of ai on cycle or not, or on pct or not, or which to use or not. the motto of this site is (read up! know your stuff! ask questions!) and i am doing just that. instead of getting and answer about specific issues i truly want to learn about i get beat down with no info because im 10% over on bf. which will leave me with no choice but to make an caulculated guess on what to do, then if something goes wrong and i ask for more help ill for sure be trashed for not reading up, not asking, (he is a noob dumb ass that has no business using ass. ) you can find threads like that any time on any section, so what is a guy to do? again im not lashing out at any one person but its frustrating to be told you need to read up your not doing your part when i have been reading like a madman only to get more and more conflicting info and confusion to boot. Im sorry but this sucks.

[A010011000111]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...highlight=gyno
post 10, 11,


now i dont want to argue fat will help grow boobs or not, i thank you all for your opinions and concerns, however the point i want to make is as far as you want to read threads (i bet i have read around a hundred so far) just about this, you will find confilcting info and opinions on gyno, and use of ai on cycle or not, or on pct or not, or which to use or not. the motto of this site is (read up! know your stuff! ask questions!) and i am doing just that. instead of getting and answer about specific issues i truly want to learn about i get beat down with no info because im 10% over on bf. which will leave me with no choice but to make an caulculated guess on what to do, then if something goes wrong and i ask for more help ill for sure be trashed for not reading up, not asking, (he is a noob dumb ass that has no business using ass. ) you can find threads like that any time on any section, so what is a guy to do? again im not lashing out at any one person but its frustrating to be told you need to read up your not doing your part when i have been reading like a madman only to get more and more conflicting info and confusion to boot. Im sorry but this sucks.

i know what you mean about reading and reading and reading, then getting all this conflicting info with which to draw conclusions and plan major hormone changes with your body.... as far as i can say take most stock in what the veteran and moderator posters write, and that the stickies seem to have all the most important and accurate information... read stickies thoroughly and repeatedly and pm OP's if you have specific questions for them.

as far as advice, i agree with what D7M says, if you prime your body you will most likely get better bang for your buck. and as far as AI on or off cycle, ive been seeing more people suggest it as an on cycle treatment for ERSE's; people will say its just fine as a PCT supp but the science behind the explanation for on-cycle use seems to be most convincing... it has to do with the difference between AI's and SERM's... im pretty sure its all in one of the stickies in the PCT section if you take a look over yonder at that stuff

[A010011000111]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...highlight=gyno
post 10, 11,


now i dont want to argue fat will help grow boobs or not, i thank you all for your opinions and concerns, however the point i want to make is as far as you want to read threads (i bet i have read around a hundred so far) just about this, you will find confilcting info and opinions on gyno, and use of ai on cycle or not, or on pct or not, or which to use or not. the motto of this site is (read up! know your stuff! ask questions!) and i am doing just that. instead of getting and answer about specific issues i truly want to learn about i get beat down with no info because im 10% over on bf. which will leave me with no choice but to make an caulculated guess on what to do, then if something goes wrong and i ask for more help ill for sure be trashed for not reading up, not asking, (he is a noob dumb ass that has no business using ass. ) you can find threads like that any time on any section, so what is a guy to do? again im not lashing out at any one person but its frustrating to be told you need to read up your not doing your part when i have been reading like a madman only to get more and more conflicting info and confusion to boot. Im sorry but this sucks.

i know what you mean about reading and reading and reading, then getting all this conflicting info with which to draw conclusions and plan major hormone changes with your body.... as far as i can say take most stock in what the veteran and moderator posters write, and that the stickies seem to have all the most important and accurate information... read stickies thoroughly and repeatedly and pm OP's if you have specific questions for them.

as far as advice, i agree with what D7M says, if you prime your body you will most likely get better bang for your buck. and as far as AI on or off cycle, ive been seeing more people suggest it as an on cycle treatment for ERSE's; people will say its just fine as a PCT supp but the science behind the explanation for on-cycle use seems to be most convincing... it has to do with the difference between AI's and SERM's... im pretty sure its all in one of the stickies in the PCT section if you take a look over yonder at that stuff

[Farbeyondriven]

And?

I never said you'd get gyno by cycling at a higher body fat.

Of course you can cycle at higher body fat (+15%).

But if you're cycling for aesthetic reasons, which most of us are,

Then you'll be in a much better position to build muscle if you're leaner.

So, yes, you can run a "cutting" cycle at 20% bf and lean down to 10%.

But imo, you'll be much better off if you prime hard, lean out, then hit a cycle hard and add some quality muscle.

noted, thanks for suggesting whats best. im trying not to get to stressed over this.

[Farbeyondriven]

i know what you mean about reading and reading and reading, then getting all this conflicting info with which to draw conclusions and plan major hormone changes with your body.... as far as i can say take most stock in what the veteran and moderator posters write, and that the stickies seem to have all the most important and accurate information... read stickies thoroughly and repeatedly and pm OP's if you have specific questions for them.

as far as advice, i agree with what D7M says, if you prime your body you will most likely get better bang for your buck. and as far as AI on or off cycle, ive been seeing more people suggest it as an on cycle treatment for ERSE's; people will say its just fine as a PCT supp but the science behind the explanation for on-cycle use seems to be most convincing... it has to do with the difference between AI's and SERM's... im pretty sure its all in one of the stickies in the PCT section if you take a look over yonder at that stuff

thanks, im glad someone understands whats getting to me, guess ill go cross my eyes and burn my brain some more... its all i can do, later...

[Farbeyondriven]

well does this look any better?
wk 1-12 test cyp 250mg twice a week
wk 1-12 liquidex .25mg eod
12 days after last pin start pct
clomi 40mg ed for 5 weeks along with nolvadex 20mg ed.......d7m?...swifto? thanks guys.

[SlimmerMe]

here's an idea: join in on the upcoming challenge which starts in January. You will be matched up with a trainer who will guide you and take you to the next level. I bet you would be a great candidate! All you have to do is go this link and tell them you want to join in. This could be a great opportunity to bring down your BF to a lower level since if I understand correctly that is something you would like to do...(me too)....Would love to see your name on the list!

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...tion-Challange