Power PCT???

[ROBOCOP]

I have always adhered to the PCT protocol outlined by pheedno in the stickies. Always have and still do use that exact same.
Has anyone ever read the PoWeR PCT program in the 9th edition of llewellyns anabolics? Interesting read but what do you think?

[auslifta]

can you post it up?

[bigpapabuff]

definitely post it up, would love to read it.

[ROBOCOP]

Ok, here's what is recommended;
Llewellyn states that this is the most effective PCT program, developed by doctors at the Program for Wellness Restoration. PoWeR).
Instead of waiting the suggested times of two weeks after last shot etc, he's recommending that the PCT should start the very next day after the last shot. The protocols are: HCG taken EOD at 2500iu for the first 16 days. Clomid to be taken twice a day at 50 mg each time for the first 30 days and finally 20 mg nolva every day for 45 days, the length of the PCT program.

The testes are hit hard HCG at the onset of therapy. It's intake however is limited to only 16 days. The doctors undoubtably recognise that when HCG is taken for too long, or at too high a dosage, it can desensitise the LH receptor. This would only further exacerbate the problem, not help it. Anti oestrogen's are used during and after HCG, with a
dosage of 10 mg (*) of nolva and 100 mg Clomid per day rounding out this compliment of drugs. Clomid is used for a shorter period of time than nolvadex, likely because of the desensitising it too can have (on the pituitary gland) with
continued use. Among other things, these two anti oestrogen's will continue to foster LH release as testosterone levels
start to go back up, as well as combat any potential estrogenic side effects that may be caused by hcgs up-regulation of
testicular aromatase activity. Although in the first couple of weeks the anti oestrogen's probably do very little, they
should be much more helpful towards the middle and end of the program. During this clinical investigation normal
hormonal function was restored in all subjects within 45 days of drug cessation. This is a definite success, far more
favourable than the protracted recovery window noted in studies without post cycle therapy, such as the 250 mg/ week test enanthate investigation. For me, I believe such a detailed recovery program should follow any serious steroid cycle. It's the best way to maintain your gains at their maximum and that is, after all what we are after""""""

(*) the dosage is given as 10 mg in the write up but the diagram in the book states 20mg.

[auslifta]

This was for a test ethanate cycle at 250mmg/week right? Nothing too controversial. Starting HCG right away is fine, prob even start it last 2 weeks before last test injections. I don't really see the point of starting the very next day with clomid and nolva after last injection. Maybe a week after last would be better. 100mgs of clomid every day for 45 days, from what people say, that would prob knock you around a fair bit.

[ROBOCOP]

The Clomid is for 30 days at 100mg. Thing is, I'm coming round to the idea of using HCG throughout the cycle which would negate the need for it straight after the last shot,,,,,,,,or would it? Yeah, the program was run for approx 100 males on a cycle of 250 mg ew.

[Swifto]

I suggest HCG use (agreeing with POWER PCT) when HCG is NOT used on cycle. It needs to be used if it has not been used at a low dose throughout.

If it has been used and the testes have been kept from becoming dysfunctional, its not needed again. In fact, I like it at the end ramping the dose to kick the testes just before PCT.

HCG needs to be used every 72 hours, not EOD. After one injection of HCG, endogenous T spikes in a matter of hours, then spikes again 48-72 hours later. This second spike is the most steep compared with the first. So every 2-3 days with HCG. I also dont agree with 250ius, I think more is needed if its NOT USED on cycle. 1000-1500ius.

100mg/ED Clomid is too much IMHO. 25mg/ED is very effective.

I do suggest a frontload for the first 7-14 days when using SERMs for PCT, this is to get more active compound in the blood and to surge LH, FSH during the most difficult time because of dormancy.

250-500ius 2-3x week when on cycle with 10mg/ED Aromasin.

wk 1-6 Tore 60mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED

*Frontload either for 7-14 days at double the dose.

[ROBOCOP]

Hey Swifto. I'm gonna hijack my own thread and just post up my intended next cycle for you tweak if it's needed.

Remember I'm a gyno prone, shit recovering 44 year old lol,,,,,,

12weeks
Test enanthate at 750 mg wk

11weeks
Deca at either 400 or 600 mg pw

First 4 weeks
Front load with 40mg dianabol

HCG at 250 iu every three days for the duration of cycle along with ????????????? Nolva, or arimidex, or aromasin?????
(I've only ever ran nolva or arimidex during cycle)


Anavar or dianabol at 20-30 mg ed for two weeks after last test shot

PCT will be 14 days after last test shot and consist of: (used PCT caps in past or Clomid, nolva and arimidex) what would you recommend would be the optimum PCT for someone like me?????????

RC

[Swifto]

Hey Swifto. I'm gonna hijack my own thread and just post up my intended next cycle for you tweak if it's needed.

Remember I'm a gyno prone, shit recovering 44 year old lol,,,,,,

12weeks
Test enanthate at 750 mg wk

11weeks
Deca at either 400 or 600 mg pw

First 4 weeks
Front load with 40mg dianabol

HCG at 250 iu every three days for the duration of cycle along with ????????????? Nolva, or arimidex, or aromasin?????
(I've only ever ran nolva or arimidex during cycle)


Anavar or dianabol at 20-30 mg ed for two weeks after last test shot

PCT will be 14 days after last test shot and consist of: (used PCT caps in past or Clomid, nolva and arimidex) what would you recommend would be the optimum PCT for someone like me?????????

RC

What are your stats?


HCG 500ius 2-3x week when on cycle with 10mg/ED Aromasin .

PCT

wk 1-6 Tore 60mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED

*Frontload either for 7-14 days at double the dose.

*Trib 1g/ED (Sopharma)
*Ashwagandha RE 2g/ED

No AI during PCT, not needed.

If your not recovering well, which I can see from your threads, it may be better to blast/cruise. Cycle for 10-12 weeks, drop it down to 100-200mg/wk Test for 6-8 weeks and go again.

[teddykgb29]

interesting pct read, never known anyone that ran pct the very next day after the last shot.

[ROBOCOP]

Stats are currently
Height. 177
Weight. 220
BF. 13%

I've been thinking about cruising between cycles but can't get my head into the fact I'd be self medicating trt!!!!! I f@(£ing hate getting old lol I'd love to do it though, just need some more time to convince myself it's right for me, well my head anyway!!! Also getting my head around NO PCT!!!!!!!!!!

[Swifto]

Stats are currently
Height. 177
Weight. 220
BF. 13%

I've been thinking about cruising between cycles but can't get my head into the fact I'd be self medicating trt!!!!! I f@(£ing hate getting old lol I'd love to do it though, just need some more time to convince myself it's right for me, well my head anyway!!! Also getting my head around NO PCT!!!!!!!!!!

Do you really need 750mg/wk Test? I reckon you could use 500mg/wk, with Deca and a Dbol kick.

Its up to you though, I'm assuming you have done a fair few cycles.

What about increasing kals? Make sure you increase them slowly every week, yes, week, to continue to gain.

[ROBOCOP]

Do you really need 750mg/wk Test? I reckon you could use 500mg/wk, with Deca and a Dbol kick.

Its up to you though, I'm assuming you have done a fair few cycles.

What about increasing kals? Make sure you increase them slowly every week, yes, week, to continue to gain.

Done a fair few cycles, but nearly always consist 500 test e and 400 deca. After my last sh1t cycle of test c and tren I thought I'd switch back and add a little more. Plus, it's my shutdown mate. I suffer on cycle too so thought the difference would counter that part at least? Or maybe not? Kals are going up gradually whilst I'm off so hopefully I'll be firing on all cylinders in that Dept.

[Swifto]

Done a fair few cycles, but nearly always consist 500 test e and 400 deca. After my last sh1t cycle of test c and tren I thought I'd switch back and add a little more. Plus, it's my shutdown mate. I suffer on cycle too so thought the difference would counter that part at least? Or maybe not? Kals are going up gradually whilst I'm off so hopefully I'll be firing on all cylinders in that Dept.

Hit 750mg/wk then.

Add in 25mg DHEA 2x day. Oral is fine.

Use 10mg/Ed Aromasin.

[ROBOCOP]

Hit 750mg/wk then.

Add in 25mg DHEA 2x day. Oral is fine.

Use 10mg/Ed Aromasin.

Thanks mate. Hopefully it will do the trick