PCT for people who make the mistake of never coming off

[SomeRandomGuy]

I know I was supposed to cycle the anabolic steroids , but I kinda just stayed on. I cycled once for 12 weeks, came off with a PCT and went back to normal, then after I did a 20 weeker I tried to come off and after a month I still had no sex drive and was weak as hell. Did another 20 week cycle after only a month off, and it's kinda turned into more of the rest of the year cycle . Should I bother trying to PCT and come off now, or am I pretty much f'd for the rest of my life? I was told by some guy at the gym that at this point it would take at least 3 months if ever to get my normal sex drive back without steroids, even with HCG and a PCT.

Should I just go 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off with a PCT on the 2 weeks off for life? I guess if I ever wanted to have kids it might be too late already. And if you stay on for life, when do you take the HCG? Just take it with Nolvadex and Clomid on the 2 weeks off? I'm assuming you don't want to take HCG forever because you'd desensitize yourself to it over time?

I'm loathe to tell an endocrinologist or my primary care physician about taking steroids. They will never give you replacement therapy if you do this. They will always default to telling you to quit for a year or something and then put you on HRT. Last endrocrinologist I went to told me that Nolvadex, Clomid and HCG do nothing to restore your natural test levels.

Good thing is I just recently had my bloodwork done and my lipid profiles and liver enzymes are all normal. Blood pressure normal. Healthy. But I may have no natural testosterone production or sperm production anymore. .

Advice?

[Swifto]

I know I was supposed to cycle the anabolic steroids , but I kinda just stayed on. I cycled once for 12 weeks, came off with a PCT and went back to normal, then after I did a 20 weeker I tried to come off and after a month I still had no sex drive and was weak as hell. Did another 20 week cycle after only a month off, and it's kinda turned into more of the rest of the year cycle . Should I bother trying to PCT and come off now, or am I pretty much f'd for the rest of my life? I was told by some guy at the gym that at this point it would take at least 3 months if ever to get my normal sex drive back without steroids, even with HCG and a PCT.

You might bounce back quick, you may not. Have you used HCG during this "on" time?

Should I just go 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off with a PCT on the 2 weeks off for life? I guess if I ever wanted to have kids it might be too late already. And if you stay on for life, when do you take the HCG? Just take it with Nolvadex and Clomid on the 2 weeks off? I'm assuming you don't want to take HCG forever because you'd desensitize yourself to it over time?

No research states HCG can cause permanent leydig cell desensitisation. But taking breaks from it every 12-14 weeks is a wise idea IMO. Breaks last 3-4 weeks, then back on, but use a larger initial 3-4 doses, 2x what you usually use.

No point in cycling Tamox and/or Clomid during this 2 week off peroid IMHO. The steroids wont have even cleared your system in 2 weeks (long esters).

I'm loathe to tell an endocrinologist or my primary care physician about taking steroids. They will never give you replacement therapy if you do this. They will always default to telling you to quit for a year or something and then put you on HRT. Last endrocrinologist I went to told me that Nolvadex, Clomid and HCG do nothing to restore your natural test levels.

Then he's an idiot.

Good thing is I just recently had my bloodwork done and my lipid profiles and liver enzymes are all normal. Blood pressure normal. Healthy. But I may have no natural testosterone production or sperm production anymore. .

Get BW done every so often if you stay on.

Advice?

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