PCT opinions SWIFTO?

**largerthannormal** · 11-07-2011, 02:05 PM

I am about 2 month from starting up a Test, Deca , EQ cycle......( kinda maybe odd for some) everything pretty close to the 500mg range +- 100 but i haven't quite wrote it all out yet. I am more concerned for the PCT for this as I have been a active member but i take long breaks from the sight and usually before a cycle i come on here for a bit to get any knew info i missed or up to date "what works best"

I been reading alot on swiftos PCT ( i like his ideas alot and he has helped me in the past a bunch)

So i have a few cycle under the belt but only one i used HCG ... and i used it as both a preventative and in my pct. I dont remember the exact times but it was simliar to this: week 6-10 of cycle i ran 250iu 2 x per week. then stopped week 10-12 of a 12 week cycle. then week 14-16 i ran 500iu 2 per week along side a nolva/clomid treatment. The hcg usage seemed to give me the best recovery whether or not i did it right i kept the most gains ever. I just ran a test / eq cycle and ended with nolva/clomid and i didnt recover as well as i did before using the hcg. I fished "cycle" 3 months ago but i am a firm believer in the time on + pct = time off so i will not be hitting it for another 2 months.

Lets get one thing on the plate.. i have had gyno as a child and in my teens have had the surgery to remove this as it was not aas related. As of now I have never been prone to gyno I am unsure if this is direct correlation of the removal of the glands or what not but I am not prone to is so i usually never run anything while I am on. I really want to make the best gains while I am on this time around do you think i should run a something while on for any other reason? remember i have been offline for a bit so any new news would be helpful? will the high estro levels hurt me besides the water retention and the gyno? ( i really don't like a ton a bloat as i like more lean gains and not to change from huge to small every 6 months as it takes a toll on my mental wellness on how i look.)

Ok down to the main reason we are here

I have already have product but as for the HCG i only have 5000iu so it is in my interest to use this as "A" a preventative or "B" in my actual pct or "C" lil of both, or "D" i am an idiot an should have ordered more at the time and got online before i made this decision? (please refrain from option D)

Also I have not ordered my SERMS yet... I always use Nolva no matter what. should I do this with the standard 20mg nolva and some clomid protocal?( ill have to go over the clomid dosages as i am having a brain fart.

cycle will look similar to this

i use / marks because I am unsure right now)
1-13/14 test E 500mg ew
1-13/14 EQ 600mg ew
1-10/11 deca 5/600mg ew

16 start PCT
16-20 (nolva 20mg)

please fill in or modify the HCG , NOLVA and whatever else you think will best benifit me

if you need my stats im 27
198 11% 5ft 10. (this is what i walk around at normally) I am slightly leaner as I have been natural cutting and last cycle has been a cutter as well. I am in for a "lean bulker" coming up...

**Swifto** · 11-07-2011, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

I am about 2 month from starting up a Test, Deca , EQ cycle......( kinda maybe odd for some) everything pretty close to the 500mg range +- 100 but i haven't quite wrote it all out yet. I am more concerned for the PCT for this as I have been a active member but i take long breaks from the sight and usually before a cycle i come on here for a bit to get any knew info i missed or up to date "what works best"

I been reading alot on swiftos PCT ( i like his ideas alot and he has helped me in the past a bunch)

So i have a few cycle under the belt but only one i used HCG ... and i used it as both a preventative and in my pct. I dont remember the exact times but it was simliar to this: week 6-10 of cycle i ran 250iu 2 x per week. then stopped week 10-12 of a 12 week cycle. then week 14-16 i ran 500iu 2 per week along side a nolva/clomid treatment. The hcg usage seemed to give me the best recovery whether or not i did it right i kept the most gains ever. I just ran a test / eq cycle and ended with nolva/clomid and i didnt recover as well as i did before using the hcg. I fished "cycle" 3 months ago but i am a firm believer in the time on + pct = time off so i will not be hitting it for another 2 months.

Lets get one thing on the plate.. i have had gyno as a child and in my teens have had the surgery to remove this as it was not aas related. As of now I have never been prone to gyno I am unsure if this is direct correlation of the removal of the glands or what not but I am not prone to is so i usually never run anything while I am on. I really want to make the best gains while I am on this time around do you think i should run a something while on for any other reason? remember i have been offline for a bit so any new news would be helpful? will the high estro levels hurt me besides the water retention and the gyno? ( i really don't like a ton a bloat as i like more lean gains and not to change from huge to small every 6 months as it takes a toll on my mental wellness on how i look.)

Ok down to the main reason we are here

I have already have product but as for the HCG i only have 5000iu so it is in my interest to use this as "A" a preventative or "B" in my actual pct or "C" lil of both, or "D" i am an idiot an should have ordered more at the time and got online before i made this decision? (please refrain from option D)

Preventetive.

Also I have not ordered my SERMS yet... I always use Nolva no matter what. should I do this with the standard 20mg nolva and some clomid protocal?( ill have to go over the clomid dosages as i am having a brain fart.

Order them, get them, then start.

cycle will look similar to this

i use / marks because I am unsure right now)
1-13/14 test E 500mg ew
1-13/14 EQ 600mg ew
1-10/11 deca 5/600mg ew

wk 1-14 Test Enan 500mg/wk
wk 1-13 EQ 400mg/wk
wk 1-13 Deca 400mg/wk??
*Aromasin 10mg/ED
*HCG 250-500ius 2x week

Why EQ+Deca?

16 start PCT
16-20 (nolva 20mg)

wk 16-22 Tamox 20mg/ED (40mg/ED week 1)
wk 16-22 Clomid 25mg/ED (50mg/ED week 1)

please fill in or modify the HCG , NOLVA and whatever else you think will best benifit me

if you need my stats im 27
198 11% 5ft 10. (this is what i walk around at normally) I am slightly leaner as I have been natural cutting and last cycle has been a cutter as well. I am in for a "lean bulker" coming up...

You have too much AAS at your stats, so I have lowered it. Eat more... To put it simply.

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**largerthannormal** · 11-07-2011, 03:24 PM

DANG your Jimmy johns FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Perfect! thanks a ton man, im not starting for another 2 months though..

Ok, Yes I agree with all your qtys on mg ew. I have no problemo with that at all on cycle. I also am a firm believer is more is not always better, like i said i had room to move on that, sometimes i used to just fear something is under-dosed but in this case i have used this product before and i know it is not so I will go ahead with your recommendations.

if i run the HCG weekly thoughout say week 4-14 250iu 2x ew then start up PCT on 16 you think that will be okay and stay within your recomendations? IM trying to figure a way to space it out with only 5000iu... total

as for the AI i am guessing you mean all the way through as i see fit? but again I am not prone to gyno? or are you basing this on controlling estrogen for another reason? maybe the water retention mark i made?

Sorry for all the questions. i know your busy!!

**Swifto** · 11-07-2011, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

DANG your Jimmy johns FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Perfect! thanks a ton man, im not starting for another 2 months though..

Ok, Yes I agree with all your qtys on mg ew. I have no problemo with that at all on cycle. I also am a firm believer is more is not always better, like i said i had room to move on that, sometimes i used to just fear something is under-dosed but in this case i have used this product before and i know it is not so I will go ahead with your recommendations.

if i run the HCG weekly thoughout say week 4-14 250iu 2x ew then start up PCT on 16 you think that will be okay and stay within your recomendations? IM trying to figure a way to space it out with only 5000iu... total

as for the AI i am guessing you mean all the way through as i see fit? but again I am not prone to gyno? or are you basing this on controlling estrogen for another reason? maybe the water retention mark i made?

Sorry for all the questions. i know your busy!!

Use the AI even if you're not prone.

HCG needs to be used from start - finish. Last shot is 4-5 days out from PCT starting with the SERMs.

**largerthannormal** · 11-07-2011, 04:21 PM

Thank you SWIFTO!! I will grab more..

**largerthannormal** · 11-07-2011, 04:23 PM

crap, last question.... back in the day if i remember correctly there was something not to be ran with a 19nor while on? was that a serm or an AI? or is this old data?

also you think i shuld run the D all the way to week 13 if test is only going to 14? should i stop at 12 with the D? or not a big deal as long as its slightly sooner?

**Swifto** · 11-07-2011, 04:56 PM

It was Tamox and its outdated data.

Tamoxifen is fine to run with 19-Nors and will not cause further proliferation of the progesterone receptor in healthy male breast tissue.

**largerthannormal** · 11-08-2011, 11:17 AM

SWEET, i think i am all set buddy on what im going to do now!!! thanks a ton.... if anybody else wants to chime in so i dont waste all swiftos time its cool....

if i am not prone to gyno what will the AI be beneficial for? I am asking for knowledge cause i really don't know? or is this just more for a easier recovery rather than a precautionary item in your eyes? I plan on running HCG while on (I am not sure to the extent of how this usually hinders gains but it would be cool if someone knew) and I am going to run it all the way through as suggested.

The thing I would like to know is does the AI hinder gains in anyway? Ive always thought they have that is why i never ran one while on....

**Swifto** · 11-08-2011, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

SWEET, i think i am all set buddy on what im going to do now!!! thanks a ton.... if anybody else wants to chime in so i dont waste all swiftos time its cool....

if i am not prone to gyno what will the AI be beneficial for? I am asking for knowledge cause i really don't know? or is this just more for a easier recovery rather than a precautionary item in your eyes? I plan on running HCG while on (I am not sure to the extent of how this usually hinders gains but it would be cool if someone knew) and I am going to run it all the way through as suggested.

The thing I would like to know is does the AI hinder gains in anyway? Ive always thought they have that is why i never ran one while on....

AI's dont "hinder gains" its parotted nonsense.

Estrogen needs to be kept in normal ranges. Its a carcinogen in males, so needs to be controlled sides or not.

Drop the HCG 4-5 days out from PCT.

**largerthannormal** · 11-10-2011, 01:07 PM

Awesome, thank you!!

**largerthannormal** · 11-15-2011, 03:53 PM

when do you recomend to stop the aromasin ? same time as hcg ?

aromasin is the best choice over other AIs right? and the 10ed is a good recommendation considering everything?

ps is ur profile pic Lorenzo?

**Swifto** · 11-15-2011, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

when do you recomend to stop the aromasin ? same time as hcg ?

aromasin is the best choice over other AIs right? and the 10ed is a good recommendation considering everything?

ps is ur profile pic Lorenzo?