Can't get hCG. Alternatives?

**RustedIron** · 07-09-2012, 09:48 PM

So I just read the "PCT-by-Steroid .com" thread by Pinnacle and that was an awesome read. Really put me at rest, but now I have a problem.

I can't get hCG . Nolva and Aroma are on the way, but my source isn't all that great. If anybody out there is in Texas with a better source, send me a PM haha.

Anyways, so without hCG. What can one do with Nolvadex and Aromasin only?

**RustedIron** · 07-14-2012, 02:17 AM

For some reason the moderators won't let me start a new thread... but I want to clarify:

Just finished an 8 week Winstrol / Equipoise cycle. I did 75mg of Winstrol every other day and 400mg of Equipose a week. I stayed true to my diet and maintained a perfect injection schedule. No alcohol. Consistent workout routine. Gains were insane. But it's time to PCT. And just in time too, my nipples are starting to get a tad itchy.

I just read Pinnacle's sticky (PCT by Steroid.com :-)) and I'm wishing I had spent more time trying to find hCG before I even began my cycle. But it's too late now. So I'm going to make due without it. I have Nolvadex and Aromasin and here's what I have in mind.

Week

Nolvadex

Aromasin

1

20mgs/day

20-25mgs/day

2

20mgs/day

20-25mgs/day

3

20mgs/day

20-25mgs/day

4

20mgs/day

20-25mgs/day

5

20mgs/day

20-25mgs/day

6

20mgs/day

What do you think? What should I add/change?

Thanks fella

**RustedIron** · 07-16-2012, 12:42 AM

No love guys?

**kronik420** · 07-16-2012, 12:53 AM

you could hold off on your cycle to you have all of your required gear. how ever long that takes you.

**RustedIron** · 07-16-2012, 01:12 AM

Wish I could. Cycle ends tomorrow

**kronik420** · 07-16-2012, 01:23 AM

what was your cycle?
did you take the aromasin during cycle?
how long till you start PCT?
pct needs clomid btw

**RustedIron** · 07-16-2012, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by kronik420

what was your cycle?
did you take the aromasin during cycle?
how long till you start PCT?
pct needs clomid btw

Just finished an 8 week Winstrol / Equipoise cycle. I did 75mg of Winstrol every other day and 400mg of Equipose a week. I stayed true to my diet and maintained a perfect injection schedule. No alcohol. Consistent workout routine. Gains were insane.

I just read Pinnacle's sticky (PCT by Steroid.com :-)) and he recommends staying away from Clomid. Have you read his post? It's pretty thorough and backed with evidence. I have Nolvadex and Aromasin and here's what I have in mind.

Week

Nolvadex

Aromasin

1

20mgs/day

20-25mgs/day

2

20mgs/day

20-25mgs/day

3

20mgs/day

20-25mgs/day

4

20mgs/day

20-25mgs/day

5

20mgs/day

20-25mgs/day

6

20mgs/day

**RustedIron** · 07-16-2012, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by kronik420

what was your cycle?
did you take the aromasin during cycle?
how long till you start PCT?
pct needs clomid btw

Ugh I keep trying to reply with my cycle and it says moderator has to approve it?

**RustedIron** · 07-16-2012, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by kronik420

what was your cycle?
did you take the aromasin during cycle?
how long till you start PCT?
pct needs clomid btw

8 weeks of Winstrol / Equipoise cycle. I did 75mg of Winstrol every other day and 400mg of Equipose a week.

**RustedIron** · 07-16-2012, 01:45 AM

I did 75mg of Winstrol every other day and 400mg of Equipose a week. I stayed true to my diet and maintained a perfect injection schedule. No alcohol. Consistent workout routine.

I just read Pinnacle's sticky (PCT by Steroid.com :-)). He recommends against Clomid. His claims are well backed with evidence. Have you read his post? Here's an excerpt:

Nolvadex is highly anti-estrogenic at the hypothalamus and pituitary, while Clomid exhibits weak estrogenic activity at the pituitary (7), which as you can guess, is less than ideal. It should be avoided for the PCT I’m suggesting…and in fact, avoided in general…it’s simply not as good as Nolvadex.

Here's what I have: I have Nolvadex and Aromasin and here's what I have in mind.

Week Nolvadex Aromasin
1 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
2 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
3 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

What do you think?

**RustedIron** · 07-16-2012, 01:55 AM

So I have no idea how to delete a post. Sorry for the repetition. =|

**BSB** · 07-16-2012, 08:54 AM

You don't have any Clomid or sources?

**RustedIron** · 07-16-2012, 09:21 AM

Why should Nolva be taken with Clomid? I've seen several arguments as to why you should and shouldn't take them together

**vonner** · 07-16-2012, 01:01 PM

good advise

**kronik420** · 07-16-2012, 09:36 PM

bad cycle man, where's the test??

i would add clomid to PCT, what were your gains like?

**kronik420** · 07-16-2012, 09:43 PM

who came up with this so called "cycle"??

and as for your question about clomid + nolva:
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...CYCLE-THERAPY)

read all the stickys. my favorite would be the PCT by Swifto.

**Bevsta123** · 07-17-2012, 05:32 AM

go to AR-R if your having trouble getting your clomi

**RustedIron** · 07-17-2012, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by kronik420;6078***

bad cycle man, where's the test??

i would add clomid to PCT, what were your gains like?

Thanks for posting kronik420. I've had amazing gains and I'm very happy. I don't know why some folks were saying they'd experience a drop in sex drive, etc. I experienced no negative side effects. It was about 15 solid pounds of mass and leaned up from 18% body fat down to 10%. It was fun...wish I could keep going! I'm thinking test/deca cycle in November.

I'll go ahead and get Clomid. So that means I'll be doing Clomid, Nolva, and Aromasin . Pinnacle claims that Clomid is fairly weak. Is there another SERM I could take with Nolva that might be better?

**pheenyx1** · 07-17-2012, 04:15 PM

Dude, sounds like you did very little research before this cycle. Hcg is best run while ON cycle. Can be problematic running it in pct. you also should have test as a base in any cycle. You are asking questions that are basic info you should have before your first pin. Im not trying to be an asshole, but for your own good, get a little more knowledge before your next one. Fortunately you have found the best board to educate yourself. Be safe and get big brutha.

**RustedIron** · 07-17-2012, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by pheenyx1

Dude, sounds like you did very little research before this cycle. Hcg is best run while ON cycle. Can be problematic running it in pct. you also should have test as a base in any cycle. You are asking questions that are basic info you should have before your first pin. Im not trying to be an asshole, but for your own good, get a little more knowledge before your next one. Fortunately you have found the best board to educate yourself. Be safe and get big brutha.

Thanks for the reply pheenyx1. I've done quite a bit of research on the cycle itself, but I must admit my PCT studies were not as in depth. I've read ANABOLICS over and over, which I don't think most of the folks on here have touched. This is the bible of anabolic study. Let me pool together some references for you and I'll post them here soon.

In regards to your hCG comment, have you read Pinnacle's sticky? He has some good science in there you may want to check out. Don't worry I know you're not being an asshole. Most folks on here are quick to say my cycle was "bad." But I think "uncommon" or "unorthodox" would probably be a more appropriate description. In the end, the results tell all.