first cycle dbol, deca and test

**weber315** · 11-03-2012, 10:47 PM

Hello i am new to this stuff and wanting to learn, this is my first cycle. The cycle is 40mg of dbol 2cc of test and 1cc of deca each week but the guy that got this for me said i didnt need a.pct for this what are your thoughts on this because every were i read everybody has got a pct with there cycle. I am 25 been working out a little over 2 yrs im about 178lbs and im not sure on body fat% thanks

**Noles12** · 11-03-2012, 10:50 PM

cc's dont mean anything to us. AAS is dosed in mg/ml.

**austinite** · 11-03-2012, 10:51 PM

Welcome, weber!!

Let's get started...

Rule #1 - Never ever take advice from your source.

Now, what is your height?

**weber315** · 11-03-2012, 11:04 PM

6' tall

**weber315** · 11-03-2012, 11:16 PM

Sorry 300mg of deca and 400mg of test

**austinite** · 11-03-2012, 11:24 PM

OK! Thanks for responding...

Let's discuss a few things. @ 178, you probably need to add a little more weight naturally so that you have a decent base to build off of. If I had your stats, I'd grow to 190+ before I started

I understand you don't know your body fat, but it's crucial that you find out before you start cycling. You don't want to cycle at high body fat (I assume you're not considering height and weight), but my concern is mainly when you're ready to cycle at a proper weight, as bulking could results in fat gain if done too fast. I try to cycle only when/if I am at or under 15%. This would lessen the chance of amplified side effects from higher body fat such as blood pressure, increased chance of gyno, etc...

So, now that we got that covered let's talk about first cycles...

First cycle should consist of Testosterone only. There is no need to incorporate multiple compounds. Let's look at an unrelated example to make things simple... If you decide to go out to dinner and you want to experience 4 different exotic foods for the first time. Soon after, you feel sick. Unfortunately, you have no idea which one of those foods is causing your pain. This is why you don't introduce more than Testosterone. You need to understand how your body reacts to Testosterone 1st. as this compound will be your base for all future cycles. If you add several drugs, you will not be able to narrow down which drug is causing the side effects.

So learn how your body reacts to Test, then you can include a second compound for your next cycle, and so on...

While on cycle, your estrogen levels will become elevated. If not controlled, you will develop a host of issues. This is no fun! To control Estrogen levels, you will need to take an Aromatase Inhibitor. For example, Anastrozole (Arimidex ), which is available in both tabs and liquid oral forms. Dosage will depend on your cycle protocol.

Furthermore; you will need to look into HCG . This will help you recover faster and prevent testicular atrophy while on cycle. Typical dose is 250iu twice weekly. There are more benefits to HCG as you will see in your research.

Lastly, PCT is absolutely needed. This would include both Tamoxifen and Clomid. Again, dosage will depend on your cycle protocol. And PCT start time will depend on the ester you choose to use in your gear.

Now that we understand a typical first cycle, I need you to understand something that most beginners completely dismiss. You ready???

DIET! Nutrition is more important than the gear you will be using. You will never gain anything if diet is not fixed. Steroids do not work like magic pills, I'm sure you know that already. You must feed your body in order to grow, steroids will merely amplify your results, but ONLY if you're eating properly.

SO.. HOW DO I EAT PROPERLY??

Good questions

In order to Bulk, you have to figure out your TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure), this will give you the magic caloric number you need to work with. To bulk, you would need to go into a calorie increase of 500 calories or more beyond your TDEE. But wait! That's the easy part! While increasing calories, you must mind your macronutrients. (Carbs, fats, proteins) -- You have to break down your calories into these 3 categories and adjust each to satisfy your goals.

At this point, considering you should bulk naturally, I recommend that you take advantage of this time before you cycle, and use it to perfect your diet. You can do so by visiting our nutrition section and posting your typical diet. This will allow our pro's over there to critique it and give you advice to maximize your results.

I hope this helps, best of luck to you.

**weber315** · 11-03-2012, 11:33 PM

I agree but im already 4 weeks into my cycle i needed that advice 1 month ago lol how should i continue my cycle for best results thanks for all your help

**austinite** · 11-03-2012, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by weber315

I agree but im already 4 weeks into my cycle i needed that advice 1 month ago lol how should i continue my cycle for best results thanks for all your help

Grr.. that would have been good info to start with

My advice is to stop the cycle. Research, and start when you're actually ready to cycle safely.

Best of luck to you, I'm sure others will chime in.

**MickeyKnox** · 11-04-2012, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by weber315

I agree but im already 4 weeks into my cycle i needed that advice 1 month ago lol how should i continue my cycle for best results thanks for all your help

How to Write a Post That Gets Your Questions Answered

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...!#.UIhSwmfX_fs

Austinite took the time to write you a short novel. For you to simply say you agree, and then re ask the same question that has already been answered for you demonstrates your lack of interest in learning to run a responsible cycle.

Youre 4 wks in. Drop the deca and stick with the test ONLY for 12 wks. Then run a proper PCT. Make sure you include an AI and hCG on cycle. Be smart, and help us help you.

**weber315** · 11-04-2012, 08:27 AM

I wasnt saying that i disagree with Austinite i was just needing some advise on me being already 4 weeks in my cycle. Trust me i really want to learn about this stuff and very greatful that he wrote that. Do you think clomid would be alright to tske for a pct? When should i start clomid? And when should i stop clomid and how much should i take? Thanks

**MickeyKnox** · 11-04-2012, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by weber315

I wasnt saying that i disagree with Austinite i was just needing some advise on me being already 4 weeks in my cycle. Trust me i really want to learn about this stuff and very greatful that he wrote that. Do you think clomid would be alright to tske for a pct? When should i start clomid? And when should i stop clomid and how much should i take? Thanks

It's painfully obvious you have done nothing to help yourself. You want it spoon fed. Thats very frustrating for others who have done their homework. Im not being mean, im trying to help you help yourself. To come on here and hold your hand out is not the best way to gain a fundamental understanding of what you are sticking into your body. Quite frankly im stunned that have done this and have not acquired the proper information on how to administer a simple PCT

Read the stickies. Youre asking extremely basic questions that are answered a 1000 times in the stickies and around the forums. If you take the time to READ and absorb SOME of this information, you would have a better working knowledge of PCT's and SERMS. But you do not because you have not taken the time to learn.

**Far from massive** · 11-04-2012, 10:32 AM

If nothing else stop the Deca right away, Deca is one of the hardest compounds to recover from its definately not a compound for a first cycle.

**kwabby6** · 11-04-2012, 12:26 PM

Its amazing that in this day and age, with all the wealth of information available to us, that people can go around feeling safe sticking themselves with needles full of unknown substances first and literally asking questions later.

**qwertyl** · 11-04-2012, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by kwabby6

Its amazing that in this day and age, with all the wealth of information available to us, that people can go around feeling safe sticking themselves with needles full of unknown substances first and literally asking questions later.

A lot of people won't bother researching and will trust their source. That's just the way it is and has nothing to do with information available. I would guess that the most of people using aas have never ever visited a forum like this. At least that's the case with my friends. Best. Experts as you can do is give direction

As for Op my guess is that he won't stop with deca even when advised to as he likes the results.
If he doesn't stop, what should he do?
Get hold of some cabers, use anti e like ax or or aromasin , use hcg and clomoid and also avoid nolva with deca.
Best of luck to OP whatever you do!
The cycle itsef does not sound to off general advises.

**weber315** · 11-04-2012, 01:41 PM

Is not every first cycle or every cycle for that matter a risk kwabby6? Yes i should of done just one compond like test and yes i should of done more research but isnt that what this site is for to ask question. Im sure this question has been asked before but i couldnt find the best answer so i ask it my self