PCT with classic method or NTBM products!!

[honeyking]

Is the classic PCT with clomid,nolvadex and HCG is not that effective??? and with "need to build muscle" products very effective?? some people are like "you have to use NTBM n2gaurd,hcgenerate etc",you will not recover that good without ntbm products and etc!!

Now my question,what if i cant get NTBM products?? will my pct is useless or not that effective or will recover slow??

[MickeyKnox]

Are you suggesting that clomiphene and tamoxifen are not effective for PCT? And hCG is used on cycle btw.

All that other crap is nonsense imho.


SERM, AI

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-AI-Definition

HCG FAQ

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...Pregnyl%29-FAQ

Why HCG is So Important

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UIlhVWfX_ft

[honeyking]

Are you suggesting that clomiphene and tamoxifen are not effective for PCT? And hCG is used on cycle btw.

All that other crap is nonsense imho.


SERM, AI

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-AI-Definition

HCG FAQ

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...Pregnyl%29-FAQ

Why HCG is So Important

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UIlhVWfX_ft

my dear friend i am asking is NTBM products more effective then clomiphene,tamoxifen and HCG throughout the cycle??

[MickeyKnox]

No they are not, sweety.

The other answers are contained in the links provided. But in short, hCG throughout cycle (twice/wk @ 250iu) day before test injection for optimum results.

[jimmyinkedup]

Is the classic PCT with clomid,nolvadex and HCG is not that effective??? and with "need to build muscle" products very effective?? some people are like "you have to use NTBM n2gaurd,hcgenerate etc",you will not recover that good without ntbm products and etc!!

Now my question,what if i cant get NTBM products?? will my pct is useless or not that effective or will recover slow??

NTBM has gotten quite "creative"(being nice) or downright unscrupulous (not so nice) marketing their products. To the point where they actually write and have written inaccurate and misleading articles about tried and true effective pct such as hcg during and clomid/nolva post cycle. It pretty disturbing. It is even more disturbing that at some forums people do not know better and actually buy into it - then parrot it as true. Even more disturbing than that is the fact that they have no regard for peoples well being and would rather sell grass clipping in capsules and make a buck than see people truly recover.
Do not believe the hype. Guys like Dr Scally , one of the worlds foremost experts on this very issue , recommends hcg followed by serm therapy as the most effective method. He has years of experience , studies and hundreds if not thousands of case studies proving it as fact.
Enough said?

[Castor87]

NTBM products are just cleverly marketed. Get the real deal.

[jrod04]

Ntbm products are garbage, cleaver marketing is all. I tried hcgenerate and got absolutely NOTHING from it, not even a labido boost never mind restoring my hormones.