Restarting HPTA after almost a year. PLEASE HELP.

**sjamal1023** · 04-07-2013, 11:09 AM

Hello all,
I have finally accepted the fact that my testosterone production probably isn't coming back anytime soon. It's been about 11 months too. The reason I never did anything about it was because I didn't have the insurance to have it checked out, the embarrassment of having to ask parents for money to get it taken care of, and I was naive and thought it would eventually come back.
The cycle I ran was test e and tren a for 8 weeks. I don't remember the exact disease but it was small enough for a beginner. I only used nolva and a total of 5,000 iu's of hcg for post. I know, incredibly stupid.
I now have shrunken testicles, low energy/constant fatigue, brain fog, lowered sex drive, sadness, i can squeeze liquids out of my nipple, and not as hard erection/trouble keeping it up/refractory period is way too long.

Now that I have the money and I have been actually researching (I really hope young guys read this, I really do) I was thinking of doing a hpta restart using clomid to lower estrogen, caber for the almost definite prolactin issues, and hcg to get the boys going again.

I'm 24 and was 23 when I started the cycle. My profile says I'm younger according to a helpful member? Sorry I can't find where to change that.

I'm hoping you guys can help me get my life back. Do you think I have a chance at restarting? Any advice on dosages, other things to take, and anything else would be greatly appreciated. You guys are my last stand before looking into hrt/trt.

Thanks

**MickeyKnox** · 04-07-2013, 11:38 AM

Marcus?

You need to see and Endocrinologist and your family Doc and have blood panels done to see where you are hormonally speaking, first. In the meantime, you can also Google Dr. Micheal Scally and read up on his methods of rebooting HPTA in men who have experienced similar issues.

**sjamal1023** · 04-07-2013, 11:44 AM

Yes I have read about this Marcus! Can't seem to find him on the threads tho... As far as bloods, how much do they normally cost? Because I don't have insurance so it would be paid out of pocket. Also, are there any alternative ways to get blood work done that don't require a doctor like a do-it-yourself type deal?

**MickeyKnox** · 04-07-2013, 11:57 AM

PrivateLabs.com seems to be very popular, depending on where you are located.

**sjamal1023** · 04-07-2013, 12:10 PM

Thanks a lot Mickey. Any comments on starting a new pct tho? Think I have hope? I'm just so anxious to fix this because this depression is just terrible.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-07-2013, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by sjamal1023

Thanks a lot Mickey. Any comments on starting a new pct tho? Think I have hope? I'm just so anxious to fix this because this depression is just terrible.

Until you see a doctor and have bloods done, its tough for anyone to say. I honestly don't feel comfortable laying out an hCG blast for you to try without you having proper bloodwork done, or at least being in the hands of a capable physician who can monitor your progress.

If that all fails, then by all means return here and we'll see what we can do to help you along. But look up what i suggested earlier about Dr. Scally. You'll get a solid idea on what to expect, what can be done, and what has been successful in the past.

**sjamal1023** · 04-07-2013, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Until you see a doctor and have bloods done, its tough for anyone to say. I honestly don't feel comfortable laying out an hCG blast for you to try without you having proper bloodwork done, or at least being in the hands of a capable physician who can monitor your progress.

If that all fails, then by all means return here and we'll see what we can do to help you along. But look up what i suggested earlier about Dr. Scally. You'll get a solid idea on what to expect, what can be done, and what has been successful in the past.

Thanks a lot. Gonna get on all of it now. I really hope this all works out. Again, much appreciated for the help.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-07-2013, 12:31 PM

You're welcome, good luck.

**sjamal1023** · 04-07-2013, 01:56 PM

Just read Dr. Micheal Scally's methods on rebooting the HPTA. Very interesting stuff. Thanks a lot for it. Anyone having the same issues as me should definitely give it a quick google. Im interested if cabergoline can have any place in his PCT protocol.

Side note, got an appointment with the doc this Thursday. Very scared to have this blood work done but I'm pretty sure we already know how bad this probably is.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-07-2013, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by sjamal1023

Just read Dr. Micheal Scally's methods on rebooting the HPTA. Very interesting stuff. Thanks a lot for it. Anyone having the same issues as me should definitely give it a quick google. Im interested if cabergoline can have any place in his PCT protocol.

Side note, got an appointment with the doc this Thursday. Very scared to have this blood work done but I'm pretty sure we already know how bad this probably is.

Thats awesome! And youre welcome. But don't go doing anything on your own before you see your doc! lol

When you have them, post your BW results in the HRT Forums and we'll have a look at it.

**sjamal1023** · 04-07-2013, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Thats awesome! And youre welcome. But don't go doing anything on your own before you see your doc! lol

When you have them, post your BW results in the HRT Forums and we'll have a look at it.

Will do! Man, it sure is great to have someone that is this helpful.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-07-2013, 02:29 PM

We'll get you squared away. There's light at the end of the tunnel.

**sjamal1023** · 04-08-2013, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

We'll get you squared away. There's light at the end of the tunnel.

Actually getting blood work done tomorrow for a great cheap price of about $100 from a certain private lab that's all over apparently. I don't know if I can post it here but it's fantastic. I got the full hormone panel and lipid profile panel so everything I need checked will be done. Great part is, I ordered it today and I will have blood drawn tomorrow. Results will come the day after

so, results will be posted in two days!

**JSumma** · 04-09-2013, 05:37 AM

hey man, hang in there. You are on your way to getting your body back in the groove of things

**sjamal1023** · 04-09-2013, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by JSumma

hey man, hang in there. You are on your way to getting your body back in the groove of things

Thanks bud! I'm hell bent on figuring this out haha blood test in an hour and a half.

**kelkel** · 04-09-2013, 07:02 AM

Good luck op. Post up asap!

**sjamal1023** · 04-09-2013, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Good luck op. Post up asap!

Getting tests now

**sjamal1023** · 04-09-2013, 10:53 AM

Quick question to all. Got a lipid panel and a female hormonal panel... I don't think prolactin is covered. What do I do now? Should I just wait for the results for you guys to see then maybe consider the prolactin panel? Because I'm highly suspicious of high prolactin levels because of my prior tren usage.

**dr. triceps** · 04-09-2013, 11:44 AM

Wait, let me get this straight, you ran a test-e and tren -a cycle with small doses and you're still shut down almost a year later. That's crazy. Have you done and cycles prior to this one. You will definitely need to try some form of a restart with hcg and nolva. Hopefully your endo can help you with that.

**sjamal1023** · 04-09-2013, 12:07 PM

Wasn't exactly low dose. It was just an average dosing I guess. I did increase near the end tho of the cycle tho, maybe last 2 weeks. Again, I am very suspecting of high prolactin from the tren . Even tren at low/moderate doses, I know now that it can be a killer.

**dr. triceps** · 04-09-2013, 04:29 PM

Maybe your serm or hcg was bunk. Did you run hcg on cycle? Im curious to see your BW

**sjamal1023** · 04-09-2013, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by dr. triceps

Maybe your serm or hcg was bunk. Did you run hcg on cycle? Im curious to see your BW

I made the mistake of only running hcg after the cycle. All I ran alongside it was nolva and letro. Don't think that helped. Again, I'm really thinking its the prolactin that's suppressing my hpta

**sjamal1023** · 04-09-2013, 06:49 PM

I cant believe I left this out. After my test/tren cycle, I (like an idiot) did a 4 week test cycle because someone (never listen to friends, just come here) told me it wouldnt matter if i were already shutdown and it wouldnt make things any worse. So, I did do a small 4 week cycle and I remember being horny as hell on the cycle, but still not being able to get a full rock hard erection. In fact, my erections on that test cycle were exactly the same as they are now. That just really raises my suspicions of prolactin now. Regardless, will be posting test results tomorrow. Any comments, advice, etc. are more than welcome here guys.

**dr. triceps** · 04-11-2013, 10:52 AM

Did you get blood results?

**sjamal1023** · 04-11-2013, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by dr. triceps

Did you get blood results?

Yes I did actually. I posted it in the hrt threads but ill post them here if you'd like to take a look.

**Faster** · 04-11-2013, 03:34 PM

Looking to restart mine as well, im at 399ng and your at 639. Still waiting to get all my labs done. Your test is higher then mine, but Im not having any of the problems your having which is strange. My nuts are just smaller then normal. But im still able to get outa bed and have energy all day, I just have some pain in my testies at night. Kel said he would help me as well, hopefully we can both get this sorted out quickly.

**dr. triceps** · 04-11-2013, 07:03 PM

Wait so you didn't restart? They just recovered on their own. What were your prolactin levels?

**sjamal1023** · 04-11-2013, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Faster

Looking to restart mine as well, im at 399ng and your at 639. Still waiting to get all my labs done. Your test is higher then mine, but Im not having any of the problems your having which is strange. My nuts are just smaller then normal. But im still able to get outa bed and have energy all day, I just have some pain in my testies at night. Kel said he would help me as well, hopefully we can both get this sorted out quickly.

Well I'm assuming its probably because my test was most likely way higher before the cycle cuz I'm young and it has been a big difference to me.

**sjamal1023** · 04-11-2013, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by dr. triceps

Wait so you didn't restart? They just recovered on their own. What were your prolactin levels?

I'm not sure if this question is at me or Faster but if its me, then they're like this on their own. Still feel shitty tho.

**dr. triceps** · 04-12-2013, 12:05 AM

It was at sjamal. I knew you'd recover. I figured that you would've since you only ran an 8 week cycle. A year is a lot of time. Now why do you think you're feeling shitty. Is it the prolactin?

**sjamal1023** · 04-12-2013, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by dr. triceps

It was at sjamal. I knew you'd recover. I figured that you would've since you only ran an 8 week cycle. A year is a lot of time. Now why do you think you're feeling shitty. Is it the prolactin?

Possibly. Actually I really do think so. I don't know what my prolactin levels are but if anything that's probably what it is.

**Granovich** · 04-12-2013, 06:04 PM

liquids of your nipples and bad erection sound like high prolactin. i would get my hands on some caber and start taking 0.25mg twice a week
also your estogen is on the high end . you might want to lower that. aromaisn maybe?
but your LH is fine so i dont think you need scally protocol since you dont need HCG

**sjamal1023** · 04-13-2013, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Granovich

liquids of your nipples and bad erection sound like high prolactin. i would get my hands on some caber and start taking 0.25mg twice a week
also your estogen is on the high end . you might want to lower that. aromaisn maybe?
but your LH is fine so i dont think you need scally protocol since you dont need HCG

Can prolactin stay elevated a year after tren use? Also, is caber a temporary fix or does it actually reverse the high prolactin?

**Granovich** · 04-13-2013, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by sjamal1023

Can prolactin stay elevated a year after tren use? Also, is caber a temporary fix or does it actually reverse the high prolactin?

I had high prolactin from pro hormone bro
And i had limp dick for over a year
And i thought it was testosterone so i did nolvadex /clomid and then nolvadex/torem and even hcg and barely any improvment
Got blood work
Test almost 700
Good free test
Prolactin triple that its normal level
Got cabergoline . In the third week i was back 80% improved erection and ejaculation volume back to normal
So i stopped it after 2 months and now im running vitamin b6 daily 3 times a day
And it seems to still work. No rebound or nothing
Yes i was shutdown for year and 3 months and prolactin stayed sky high
But no sensitive nipples or liquids
Limp dick....
So yah bro might be same shit
Cuz my prohormone was reported to increase prolactin

**sjamal1023** · 04-13-2013, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Granovich

I had high prolactin from pro hormone bro
And i had limp dick for over a year
And i thought it was testosterone so i did nolvadex /clomid and then nolvadex/torem and even hcg and barely any improvment
Got blood work
Test almost 700
Good free test
Prolactin triple that its normal level
Got cabergoline . In the third week i was back 80% improved erection and ejaculation volume back to normal
So i stopped it after 2 months and now im running vitamin b6 daily 3 times a day
And it seems to still work. No rebound or nothing
Yes i was shutdown for year and 3 months and prolactin stayed sky high
But no sensitive nipples or liquids
Limp dick....
So yah bro might be same shit
Cuz my prohormone was reported to increase prolactin

Hmm... Just from a prohormone too? Shits intense! The nipple things is only if I actually squeeze them so I'm pretty sure it's no big deal there. My main concern is just the whole erection issue. Its recovered way more since how it was in the beginning but its just not the same. I actually did start some caber just yesterday at .25 mg. hope it works out as it did for you bro. Did you notice how fast it started to work by any chance?

**Granovich** · 04-13-2013, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by sjamal1023

Hmm... Just from a prohormone too? Shits intense! The nipple things is only if I actually squeeze them so I'm pretty sure it's no big deal there. My main concern is just the whole erection issue. Its recovered way more since how it was in the beginning but its just not the same. I actually did start some caber just yesterday at .25 mg. hope it works out as it did for you bro. Did you notice how fast it started to work by any chance?

i think like 2-3 weeks into it . it improved alot.
sadly it never return to 100%
i would say 80%

**sjamal1023** · 04-13-2013, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Granovich

i think like 2-3 weeks into it . it improved alot.
sadly it never return to 100%
i would say 80%

I'm sorry to hear that bro. But it's that's way better than a completely limp noodle! Ill keep you updated on it tho in the meantime. But, in your case, I'm curious as to how it didn't fully come back if it did improve that much... Did you try anything else?

**sjamal1023** · 04-21-2013, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Granovich

liquids of your nipples and bad erection sound like high prolactin. i would get my hands on some caber and start taking 0.25mg twice a week
also your estogen is on the high end . you might want to lower that. aromaisn maybe?
but your LH is fine so i dont think you need scally protocol since you dont need HCG

Can you please explain why my LH is fine? Seems low on the scale. Also, so does my FSH. Why wouldn't HCG be needed? Sorry I responded so late I've been very busy with school lately.

**sjamal1023** · 04-21-2013, 11:05 PM

Again I cannot stress it enough. Lowered sex drive and balls are always up my scrotum now. Just tiny in comparison to what they were before. I'm thinking nolva and clomid restart. Maybe hcg . Won't do anything until advised of course

thanks guys!