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    Should I take Novaldex while taking test and deca? (first cycle)

    Should I take novladex through my whole cycle even tho I'm going to take deca with my test?

    Im going to take

    1ml test propionate /wk
    0,5 mg/wk deca durabolin 300

    And how long should I do my PCT for? Do you guys have any suggestion? I've read some of the PCT threads here, but I wanna hear what you guys have experienced.


    "Nolva should be used during HCG therapy, at 20 mg a day, for the reason i just mentioned. Can be used during cycle if you see signs of gyno. Its mainly used to block the estrogen spike when you come off cycle, and should be used right through to the end until natural test levels are back. One drawback to consider about Nolva is that it may cause progesterone receptors to become more sensitive. This means that while using progestins such as Deca or Tren, you may become more sensetive to progestin related gyno."
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    I would just run AI .25 adex eod

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    Take nothing, you are still a teenager.

    Train, eat, sleep, repeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black
    Take nothing, you are still a teenager. Train, eat, sleep, repeat.
    Better advice

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    Your body is not done developing you could cause damage

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKilliWiggle View Post
    I would just run AI .25 adex eod
    Any specific reason take adex eod and not novaldex?



    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black View Post
    Take nothing, you are still a teenager.

    Train, eat, sleep, repeat.
    I'm 21 turning 22 (inb4 ur old posts say ur 18)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGKdiana

    I'm 21 turning 22 (inb4 ur old posts say ur 18)
    But your old post, less than 15 months ago does say

    Quote Originally Posted by MGKdiana
    I'm 18 ... 175lbs at 11% bf

    Regardless, we do not recommend cycling for anybody under the age of 25, particularly a first cycle with multiple compounds, particularly a 19-nor.

    Besides you already have naturally high test levels, you've been tested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black View Post
    But your old post, less than 15 months ago does say




    Regardless, we do not recommend cycling for anybody under the age of 25, particularly a first cycle with multiple compounds, particularly a 19-nor.

    Besides you already have naturally high test levels, you've been tested.
    Like I told u, i'm 21 turning 22, that thread was made for my little brother, the reason why I ask is I know some how gyno is genetics.. Both he and me got gyno thru out puberty years, mine went away his didn't before trying nolvadex .

    I'm asking now as I know for a fact I've had "gyno" before, what should I do to prevent it coming thru my cycle.. I appreciate that ur concerned, but as a 22yo guy, this is my choice and this is what I want.

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    Ok buddy, the old 'brother' chestnut.

    You really shouldn't be cycling at your age. I'm certainly not going to encourage you to do so.

    Out of curiosity, how tall are you, what do you weigh and what is your bodyfat%?

    Maybe detail your diet for your goals too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black View Post
    Ok buddy, the old 'brother' chestnut.

    You really shouldn't be cycling at your age. I'm certainly not going to encourage you to do so.

    Out of curiosity, how tall are you, what do you weigh and what is your bodyfat%?

    Maybe detail your diet for your goals too.
    Height: 5'9
    weight: 191lbs
    Bodyfat: 9-10%


    Been training for years.. Ive always been been curious about how far I could push my body, but right now I want to take it to the next level and see how I react on my first cycle.

    Goal is obviously to add more mass, and for the most part I eat "clean" aka I stick to "bro-foods" cuz it's much easier for me to track and make duo I'm also working 10 hours a day right now.

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    A SERM "latches on to the estrogen receptors essentially blocking the estrogen out." However, a SERM does not actually lower your estrogen, it just prevents it from acting in selective tissues.

    Use an AI during cycle to keep your estrogen levels in check. Some people like to run Aromasin thru PCT, sometimes at a lower dose than when on cycle.

    Use a SERM (or 2, e.g. Nolva & clomid) during PCT to help get your natural production back up to speed.

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    Is that your detailed diet? Bro foods? Well, eat more bro foods and you will likely get bigger.


    Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKilliWiggle View Post
    A SERM "latches on to the estrogen receptors essentially blocking the estrogen out." However, a SERM does not actually lower your estrogen, it just prevents it from acting in selective tissues.

    Use an AI during cycle to keep your estrogen levels in check. Some people like to run Aromasin thru PCT, sometimes at a lower dose than when on cycle.

    Use a SERM (or 2, e.g. Nolva & clomid) during PCT to help get your natural production back up to speed.
    Thanks bro!


    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black View Post
    Is that your detailed diet? Bro foods? Well, eat more bro foods and you will likely get bigger.


    Good luck

    Why are you trying to debate with me? I know what I'm doing nutrtion wise, and I know how to get "bigger", all I asked was a simple question in my OP and you're turning this thread the way around.

    If you don't like the fact im going to do a cycle, please leave this thread, you have "helped" enough now.

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    I'm not debating anything. I cant debate a 'bro-food' diet because it doesn't mean anything.

    As I said, good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKilliWiggle View Post
    A SERM "latches on to the estrogen receptors essentially blocking the estrogen out." However, a SERM does not actually lower your estrogen, it just prevents it from acting in selective tissues.

    Use an AI during cycle to keep your estrogen levels in check. Some people like to run Aromasin thru PCT, sometimes at a lower dose than when on cycle.

    Use a SERM (or 2, e.g. Nolva & clomid) during PCT to help get your natural production back up to speed.
    You sound like a scholar. Do you get off on that post. Good advice though...crazy mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy mike
    You sound like a scholar. Do you get off on that post. Good advice though...crazy mike
    Thankyou mike I like to think I have a smart side to me.

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    This cycle is a train wreck. Good luck with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drake4243 View Post
    This cycle is a train wreck. Good luck with this.
    Explain why please and tell me what you would recommend and why?

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