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07-15-2013, 03:55 PM #1
Test-E first cycle. PCT Questiom
I'm 28
5'8"
190lbs
Serious Training from age 18-24 slacked until 28 and now been training for a solid 6 months again
This will be my 1st cycle. Starting with Test-E
My Plan:
10 week cycle
250 of Test Enan twice a week
I've read 100 different PCT plans so here's a few questions:
Should I use something like Nolvadex throughout the entire 10 week cycle plus during the PCT afterwards?
Is it neccessary to use Clomid + Nolvadex + Arimidex in my PCT?
Last I've heard so many different dosages of each PCT supliment to use. What's the best schedule and dosage amounts for the duration of the PCT?
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07-15-2013, 04:35 PM #2
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07-15-2013, 04:53 PM #3
HCG is a must if you ask me 250ius twice a week day before each test poke. everything else Jim said is right on as well.
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07-16-2013, 12:37 AM #4
This is what I'm thinking. Feel free to tell me I'm a moron.
- Run Adex at .25mg eod full cycle
- Nolvadex 10-20mg nolvadex Ed full cycle
- HCG 250iu twice weekly full cycle
•PCT•
- Nolvadex & Clomid just as you suggested
Should I immediatley and completely stop Clomid, Nolvadex, and HCG during the 2 weeks after my last pin then start my PCT?
Also I've read extended use of HCG such as the full 10 weeks can be harmful.
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07-16-2013, 04:06 AM #5
Clomid and nolvadex are your pct. you don't start taking either until 14 days from your last injection of exogenous testosterone . Run your ai during your cycle to keep e in check. Hcg run alongside your testosterone right up to 3 days prior to beginning pct. make sense?
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07-16-2013, 08:03 PM #6
Running Arimidex w/ Nolvadex full cycle.
I meant should I stop Adex, Nolv, and HCG on the same day as my last Test injection, not Clomid.
I know Arimidex should keep my estrogen in check but I've read a lot of people like to take a small dose of Nolvadex ed to be totally sure gynecomastia is kept at bay...
I had gyn as a teenager and so did my older bro. Neither incidences caused by anything other than being genetically predisposed to get it, so you can understand my worries.
I know Nolv won't lower e levels but if there are high levels of e Nolv will block it from binding. So my question is... Is it at all beneficial to run Nolv w/ Adex full cycle and if so then is it safe to run Nolv that long? And should I taper off of Adex or just keep it at the same level full cycle and quit same day as my last Test injection?
Also do you think a 10 or 12 week Test E cycle is best?
I know I got a lot of ?s but I'd rather sound clueless and get the info I need rather than end up w/ bitch tits and ED at only 28.Last edited by Boooster123; 07-16-2013 at 08:14 PM.
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07-16-2013, 08:35 PM #7
Run your Adex and hcg right up to 3 days prior to starting pct. as for the nolvadex on cycle you can but remember it can lower the effectiveness of your AI up to 30 percent. Personally I wouldn't run the nolvadex on cycle unless you need to but I am not prone to gyno either. Yes 10-12 weeks is a normal test cycle
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07-16-2013, 09:14 PM #8
So then here's how the cycle and pct should go as I understand it.
CYCLE
- Test E 250mg twice weekly for 12 weeks
- Arimidex 0.25mg EOD ending 3 days prior to PCT
- HCG 250iu twice weekly the day before each Test injection also ending 3 days prior to PCT
- Nolvadex not taken full cycle but available if gyn symptoms occur
PCT
- Start 2 weeks following last Test E injection
- Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
- Clomid 100/50/50/50
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07-16-2013, 09:29 PM #9
Looks good bro. You could run the Adex right up to pct
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I am also in my first cycle Test E 250mg twice weekly for 12 weeks just like the OP. My question is, I went the bad way around all of this, and started my cycle before I ever found this forum. I trusted someones advice who really turned out not to know anything, and basically what I am trying to say is I didnt start any HCG or AI/SERM in the beginning of my cycle. I am now finishing up week 5 of my cycle, should I try to get some HCG and Arimidex ASAP and get on it like the OP plans to, or now that im this far into the cycle, should I just ride it out and get some Nolva on hand asap incase I have any signs of issues, and then go about a different PCT?
Also I wanted to ask about needles and injecting HCG/AI/SERMs. Am I using the same size needles (23g, 1 1/2") and injecting in the same area (glutes) for these, or are they done with a smaller needle in a different area?
BTW: Since I must wait 2 weeks after the last Test E injection to start PCT, that means I actually have 6 weeks between my cycles then, not 4? Im definitely worried about loosing what I have gained so far.Last edited by btrizzyb; 07-18-2013 at 07:11 PM.
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07-19-2013, 04:01 AM #15Originally Posted by Boooster123
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Sorry for the total nOOb question but what does sub Q mean, and can u get insulin pins in stores easily, or just grab them on ARR? I didn't realize the others were oral, on the pics on ARRs site they looked like they were in vials. Less injections is cool though. Lol
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Btw Clomid and Nolva are both taken every day for the 4 weeks that we are doing PCT? I assumed that was how it was, but it seems like we will be blowing threw a lot of each, looks like we would need 2 bottles of each for the 4 week PCT? Dang thats gonna be expensive :-(
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07-20-2013, 06:19 AM #20Originally Posted by trizzypballr
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07-21-2013, 06:52 AM #22Originally Posted by trizzypballr
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07-22-2013, 12:47 PM #23
Crazy thing that I didn't expect is adding the HCG , Arimidex , Nolvadex , & Clomid is going to cost more $$$$ than the actual 6000mg of Testosterone Enanthate that I'll be using throughout a 12 week cycle
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07-22-2013, 01:16 PM #24
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07-22-2013, 02:07 PM #26
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07-22-2013, 02:07 PM #27
This was back in high school. Funny thing was they all looked twice my size but I could out lift them on anything but leg related lifts
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07-22-2013, 02:10 PM #28
I was 165
18yrs olds
Bench pressing 340
Cell Tech creatine was the only supplement I took
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Yeah I know what u mean man. I made the mistake of saying Roids? Hell yeah I wanna get big! And jumped in without researching because I believed the dude. Said I just needed 1 vial of enth and I was good for a cycle... LoL yeah right...
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07-22-2013, 02:12 PM #30
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07-22-2013, 02:46 PM #31
Sad thing is my bench was higher than my squat... I was one of those guys?
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07-22-2013, 03:01 PM #32Originally Posted by Boooster123
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07-22-2013, 03:52 PM #33
Couldnt have said it better myself
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07-22-2013, 03:53 PM #34Originally Posted by jim230027
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07-22-2013, 04:03 PM #35
It's much better than dealing with injurys as well. Nothing sucks more than an injury that keeps you out of the gym for 4-6 months
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07-22-2013, 04:10 PM #36
So true. Never used so much strength anywhere else rather than the gym.
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07-22-2013, 05:04 PM #37Banned for repping Dangerous Substances
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Why then do you post so much about the weight you lift. I have over 4,000 posts and never equated my past or my present condition and stats in what I lift. I am lifting heavy now. Real heavy, real, real heavy....for me and my body. I don't care to measure my arms, it's how they look with the symmetry of my other parts...crazy mike
The average sshmow benches more than me.
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07-22-2013, 05:07 PM #38
I have maybe 3 posts about what I lifted once upon a time. Im aloud to relive the glory years and be excited that im getting back into shape again. Dont hate... I just do agree its more about how u look than what you can do
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07-22-2013, 05:08 PM #39Banned for repping Dangerous Substances
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07-22-2013, 05:13 PM #40
Now your not makin sense. I came on here to get valuable advice so i dont end up with ED at 28 among other serious health conditions and you just wanna play
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