Any insight or personal experiences with Torem as only SERM on PCT for Test Cycle?

[JimAdler]

Was just wondering with the numerous readings of bad experiences with CLomid if it were possible to avoid using it with PCT? And have also read advantages of Torem over Tamox. Longer tapered cycle of Torem perhaps or what does anything think or know on this?

[Bio-Active]

Was just wondering with the numerous readings of bad experiences with CLomid if it were possible to avoid using it with PCT? And have also read advantages of Torem over Tamox. Longer tapered cycle of Torem perhaps or what does anything think or know on this?

Most the people I know that use torem use it to replace Clomid not the tamox

[JimAdler]

Ok so youd follow Tamox and Torem as Serms for PCT then? FOr a TEst E cycle what would you recommend as dosage on both? Something like

Tamoxifene 40/40/20/20
Toremifene 120/90/60/30

Thanks Jim

[Bio-Active]

Ok so youd follow Tamox and Torem as Serms for PCT then? FOr a TEst E cycle what would you recommend as dosage on both? Something like

Tamoxifene 40/40/20/20
Toremifene 120/90/60/30

Thanks Jim

Tamox 40/40/20/20 torem 120/120/60/60

[JimAdler]

Tamox 40/40/20/20 torem 120/120/60/60

With that PCT in place for a first cycle, does this seem in order?

500mg TestE 250mg mon/thurs for 12 weeks
Hcg 250iu bi-weekly up to PCT
Exemest 25mg ED i two doses am12.5mg/pm12.5mg.

Have seen countless different dosage recommendations on hcg and stane. WHat have been your experiences?

Also with hcg losing potency within 30 days or so from what Ive read before, would getting 2000iu amps be a better idea than 5000iu? SO you can ready smaller vials as needed

[Bio-Active]

Cycle looks fine as long as your nutrition and training are on par. HCG will not loose potency for 60 days if its mixed with bac water. Again it doesnt go bad at 60 days just may start to loose some potency.

[JimAdler]

Awesome. Ok so the 5000's would be fine. Thats good because smaller ones have been harder to find. Want to get my on cycle support and PCT first before anything else. HCG is IM inj or in fat area?

As far as diet, I dont drink ANY alcohol or smoke, and very clean at at least 3000 cal a day. Looking at going Paleo on my diet from now on with the exception of some carbs for insulin levels that arent possible with a strict Paleo diet. Training isnt an issue either. I wish I could go everyday sometimes. My friends that train with me tell me I train them like I hate their ass lol

[Bio-Active]

Hcg is easiest sub q but you can do im. What's your bf %?

[JimAdler]

15%ish BF. Can see abs relatively and have vascularity on my arms big time and in my shoulders

[Bio-Active]

Enjoy the cycle bro are you leaning out or bulking? Good call making sure you have everything before starting! That's one of the biggest mistakes people make I'd not having everything before they start

[JimAdler]

Enjoy the cycle bro are you leaning out or bulking? Good call making sure you have everything before starting! That's one of the biggest mistakes people make I'd not having everything before they start

Thanks bro! OMG I know, this 19 year old kid was like im 2 weeks into a M-Sten oral cycle and what should I do about pct? Me and a friend on there are like, what?!? Told him to get some Torem from Ru i and a bottle of Erase stat. Thankfully he did and advised him to wait a few years at least before he does this again. Gotta play safe!

About to order the stane, torem, nolva from ru i and maybe hcg from pi******. As far as the other necessary equipment not sure yet. Ive heard P******* is good though, so probably there.

How long have you been playing this game for?

[Bio-Active]

About 10 yrs

[JimAdler]

Cool deal. Glad to have some vets to get advice from. Sorry forgot to say, trying a relatively lean bulk with this. Next cycle a lean, after I give some time off of course.

[Bio-Active]

Good move the leaner you get the bigger you will look

[JimAdler]

Oh yea! Optical Illusion. Excited about it for sure