My mistake, my bloodwork, and my recovery - Completely shutdown

**madmailman444** · 12-13-2013, 07:42 PM

Going to keep it pretty to the point, but I am currently 21 years old and 2 years ago I got involved with anabolic steroids and it was one of the worst decisions I've ever made in my life. I can't rewind time, so now is the time to deal with my mistakes and move forward in hope of a full recovery.

2 years ago I was graduating highschool and sat a 6'2 131lbs. I worked out 5 days a week 3 for the entire time I was in highschool but my body refused to put on weight. The summer going in to college I decided I would take it into my own hands in order to gain weight, because I already tried the whole dieting thing and it wasn't working. I'll list everything I've done over the past 2 years down below, but after 2 years of eating right using anabolic steroids and going to the gym 7 days a week without missing a day I now sit at 6'2 202lbs around 13% BF. Sure I gained a lot but the consequences are not worth it.

For the past 6 months I've been having problems with erections and libido in general, I can't get it up.. at all.. On top of that I'm tired all the time and life in general is just an overwhelming depressant, lastly my testicles are the size of peanuts after my latest cycle. Last month I finally decided it wasn't worth it and plan on giving them up forever. With that being said I went ahead and talked to my doctor and got an appointment scheduled with an endo 5 days ago and my blood test just came back.

He only took 1 testosterone test for the first blood test because he was against helping minors in this situation anyways. On a scale of 250-850 (I believe) my testosterone level came back at 63. Seeing it so low is honestly overwhelming because out of all the reading I've done, I don't think I've come across anyone with such low testosterone levels .

After discussion with the endo, he set me up on a hcg -clomid therapy. I will be taking 1,500 iu's E3D of HCG for 2 months and 100mg daily of clomid for 1 month and 50mg daily for 5 more months with blood tests every 2 months. My question for you guys is, do you agree with this treatment or would you taper it a different way? My endo honestly seemed clueless about the whole issue, and I had to explain some of the logistics of HCG to him. Just looking for some opinions, they would be greatly appreciated.

History (I'm not going to list cycles but substances as I am so tired 24/7 it's honestly a task for me just to type this out)

Test prop
Test enan
Mast prop
tren ace
anavar
dianabol

and this all obviously accompanied many different PCT and anti-e products

Nolva
Clomid
Adex
Caber
Hcgenerate

In relation to my cycles I always did the proper time (8wk for prop, 12 for enan) with a 4 week pct to follow of nolva and clomid. I also took a break equal to the time on being completely off, so although I followed everything by the book the major rules I broke were dabbling in anabolic steroids under 25 years of age, and tren (**** tren, seriously ****ed me up mentally and physically).

Again guys any advice would be greatly appreciated, I'm at a loss for words as of what to do right now.

**Milly23** · 12-19-2013, 02:51 PM

Interesting story.. Have no advice for ya mate but goodluck

**bass** · 12-19-2013, 02:53 PM

I wish we can open a separate forum just for poste like these, maybe call it Those Who Cycled at Young Age!

**Bio-Active** · 12-19-2013, 03:03 PM

I would be concerned running Clomid at 100mg Ed for more than 1 week. Hcg is needed for sure to jump start the testies

**Milly23** · 12-20-2013, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by bass

I wish we can open a separate forum just for poste like these, maybe call it Those Who Cycled at Young Age!

Good Idea!! Glad I started at 32

**NaijaBoy** · 12-20-2013, 04:59 AM

Follow your DR's prescription and directions exactly as instructed. The blood work will be needed to adjust prescription strength over time. He's setting you up for a good PCT is all. And seriously, leave the gear alone. In the future (meaning many years from now), if you still decide to run gear again, stick with the TEST family only.

**EasyDoesIt** · 12-20-2013, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by jim230027

I would be concerned running Clomid at 100mg Ed for more than 1 week. Hcg is needed for sure to jump start the testies

I did a power PCT before of clomid for 2 weeks and it was rough on me. I am a lot older and found standard did not work. That's going to be rough, Jim what do you think about all that hcg ? I think the power i did was 2,500 e4d but only four injections.

**EasyDoesIt** · 12-20-2013, 05:58 AM

@madmail, i don't want to comment because it sounds like a ton. Try googling Power pct for steroid users and aggressive pct for steroid users. Maybe a hrt member can comment on those numbers. I know clomid is hard on me. Don't know if i missed it in your post, but how long have you been off? Also, what was your PCT when you came off and did you get any recovery?
I would probably get another evaluation from another doc. I would be seriously depressed on that much clomid.

**Back In Black** · 12-20-2013, 05:58 AM

I'm gonna let the cleverer boys above help you out with this but I have a question or 2

How many cycles in how many years and how long did you leave between ending your PCT's and starting your next cycle?

**Bio-Active** · 12-20-2013, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

I did a power PCT before of clomid for 2 weeks and it was rough on me. I am a lot older and found standard did not work. That's going to be rough, Jim what do you think about all that hcg? I think the power i did was 2,500 e4d but only four injections.

man I am always concerned about desensitizing the ledig cells with a dose like that as well as aromatization being almost out of control. My suggestion is to cut the hcg dose in half and see if that's enough to stimulate the testies.

**EasyDoesIt** · 12-20-2013, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by jim230027

man I am always concerned about desensitizing the ledig cells with a dose like that as well as aromatization being almost out of control. My suggestion is to cut the hcg dose in half and see if that's enough to stimulate the testies.

I didnt state that right my clomid dose was 100/100/50/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20
I'm 100% sure the high doses of hcg can cause worse hair loss worse than test. I get sensitvity sometimes running hcg while on test. I agree about aromatization. I just can't imagine that much hcg for that long. Everyone I know mid to late 40's never come back same after cycle and 4 week pct. The 6 week pct helps tho. I'm done with pct at this stage. Wonder if endo ever prescribed that before and what outcome was.

**Bio-Active** · 12-20-2013, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

I didnt state that right my clomid dose was 100/100/50/50/50/50 Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20 I'm 100% sure the high doses of hcg can cause worse hair loss worse than test. I get sensitvity sometimes running hcg while on test. I agree about aromatization. I just can't imagine that much hcg for that long. Everyone I know mid to late 40's cling never come back same. The 6 week pct helps tho. I'm done with pct at this stage. Wonder if endo ever prescribed that before and what outcome was.

honestly I probably would have dropped the Clomid after 4 weeks and continued the tamox. The high dose hcg is only suppose to be for about 14 days to give the testies a shock in hopes they start to fire again. Your right the older we get the harder and harder it gets

**EasyDoesIt** · 12-20-2013, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by jim230027

honestly I probably would have dropped the Clomid after 4 weeks and continued the tamox. The high dose hcg is only suppose to be for about 14 days to give the testies a shock in hopes they start to fire again. Your right the older we get the harder and harder it gets

Can't remember if i obtained that PCT from here or Anti-Aging clinic.
If i would have thought Clomid for longer than 4 weeks was of no use, probably would have gladly stopped. my high hcg doses were at 12 days.
Day 1 - 2,500
Day 4 - 2,500
Day 8 - 2,500
Day 12 - 2,500
At that time those Anti-Aging clinics would sell you all you wanted. They also carried Anavar and winnie. All my products were good as they were compound company. Just taking doses i took, i don't want to scare OP, but i couldn't imagine doing what he is prescribing. Clomid hard on me Re: depression. If it were me i would get a second Endo opinion and find out science behind it and what sides to expect. It's kind of like before you get surgery, the doc tells you it will only take 3 weeks to be back to normal. Immediately after surgery that number turns to 6 weeks as if he never mentioned 3.

**Bio-Active** · 12-20-2013, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

Can't remember if i obtained that PCT from here or Anti-Aging clinic. If i would have thought Clomid for longer than 4 weeks was of no use, probably would have gladly stopped. my high hcg doses were at 12 days. Day 1 - 2,500 Day 4 - 2,500 Day 8 - 2,500 Day 12 - 2,500 At that time those Anti-Aging clinics would sell you all you wanted. They also carried Anavar and winnie. All my products were good as they were compound company. Just taking doses i took, i don't want to scare OP, but i couldn't imagine doing what he is prescribing. Clomid hard on me Re: depression. If it were me i would get a second Endo opinion and find out science behind it and what sides to expect. It's kind of like before you get surgery, the doc tells you it will only take 3 weeks to be back to normal. Immediately after surgery that number turns to 6 weeks as if he never mentioned 3.

this is exactly why most of us feel it's so important to run hcg during your cycle to maintain testicular function but in the same token we all should understand the risks