In need of help... No PCT on Tren A.

[LaRusso]

Let me start by saying I've searched and read various threads like this across a few forums and know I'm going to cop abuse and all sorts of names for what I'm about to admit. Bad advice from those who supplied it and plain old stupidity have gotten me to where I am right now. I'm not proud of myself clearly and have beaten myself up about it for quite a while hence the huge delay in asking for advice.

Hopefully though, some one here may be able to at least assist in getting some form of normalcy back in my life. I'd be forever grateful.

Here goes: Basically, I've ran 3 cycles of Tren Acetate, with no Test or PCT during/after. The cycles weren't back to back - I ran 2 in late 2012, and another one in mid 2013. The result of these is that now I'm suffering from weak erections, drastically reduced sex drive and when it does manage to 'get up', my performance is terrible.

My stats:
26 years old
5'7" (170cms)
182lbs (83kgs)

I've also just come back from getting some blood work done. I was told that all my levels fall within the "normal" range, but here they are:
Androgens
Testosterone : 18.3 nmol/L
SHBG: 27 nmol/L
Free Androgen Index: 67.8%

Thyroid Function
TSH: 1.52 mIU/L

I also have results for biochemistry, haematologyand lipids and HDL. Not sure if you'd need that here though.

[Bio-Active]

You need to provide the reference ranges if you can?

[LaRusso]

Okay so here is exactly what the results say... thanks again for any help. Would the PoWeR PCT be something I should be getting onto?

Androgens
Testosterone : 18.3 nmol/L (11.5 - 32.0)
SHBG: 27 nmol/L (15 - 50)
Free Androgen Index: 67.8% (15 - 100)

Thyroid Function
TSH: 1.52 mIU/L (0.40 - 3.50)

[Bio-Active]

Okay so here is exactly what the results say... thanks again for any help. Would the PoWeR PCT be something I should be getting onto?

Androgens
Testosterone : 18.3 nmol/L (11.5 - 32.0)
SHBG: 27 nmol/L (15 - 50)
Free Androgen Index: 67.8% (15 - 100)

Thyroid Function
TSH: 1.52 mIU/L (0.40 - 3.50)

Your test looks like everything is in normal range unless i am missing something?

[LaRusso]

Seems so... but I still have the issues described above?

[Bio-Active]

Seems so... but I still have the issues described above?

so you have been off everything for 6 months or so? Get a full hormone panel run so you can get a better idea of what is going on

[LaRusso]

Okay so these are the entire blood work results I got recently. The problems I have are still with me...

Regardless of what it says below, would anyone recommend that I try a PCT now? If so, which one is worth trying to 'kick start' me back to normal?

Androgens
Testosterone : 18.3 nmol/L (11.5 - 32.0)
SHBG: 27 nmol/L (15 - 50)
Free Androgen Index: 67.8% (15 - 100)

Thyroid Function
TSH: 1.52 mIU/L (0.40 - 3.50)

Haemoglobin: 155 g/L (130 - 180)
Red Cell Count: 5.1 x10*12/L (4.5 - 6.5)
Haematocrit: 0.46 (0.39 - 0.54)
MCV: 91 fL (80 - 100)
MCH: 30.6 pg (27.0 - 32.0)
MCHC: 337 g/L (310 - 360)
RDW 12.9 (10.0 - 15.0)
White Cell Count: 6.7 x10*9/L (4.0 - 11.0)
Neutrophils: 3.40 x10*9/L (2.0 - 7.5)
Lymphocytes: 2.21 x10*9/L (1.0 - 4.0)
Monocytes: 0.76 x10*9/L (0.0 - 1.0)
Eosinophils: 0.18 x10*9/L (0.0 - 0.5)
Basophils: 0.10 x10*9/L (0.0 - 0.3)
Platelets: 246 x10*9/L (150 - 450)

"Full blood count is within reference limits"

Biochemistry
Status: Fasting
Sodium: 141 mmol/L (135 - 145)
Potassium: 4.6 mmol/L (3.5 - 5.5)
Chloride: 104 mmol/L (95 - 110)
Biocarbonate: 28 mmol/L (20 - 32)
Urea: 3.3 mmol/L (3.0 - 7.5)
Creatinine: 85 umol/L (60 - 110)
eGFR: >90 mL/min/1.73m2 (>59)
Total Bilirubin: 10 umol/L (4 - 20)
Alk Phos: 86 U/L (35 - 110)
Gamma GT: 19 U/L (5 - 50)
LDH: 178 U/L (120 - 250)
AST: 29 U/L (10 - 40)
ALT: 35 U/L (5 - 40)
Total Protein: 74 g/L (68 - 85)
Albumin: 47 g/L (39 - 50)
Globulin: 27 g/L (29 - 39)
Cholesterol: 5.4 mmol/L (3.9 - 5.5)
Triglycerides: 0.9 mmol/L (0.5 - 1.7)

Lipids and HDL
Status: Fasting
Cholesterol: 5.4 mmol/L (3.9 - 5.5)
Triglycerides: 0.9 mmol/L (0.5 - 1.7)
HDL Cholesterol: 1.5 mmol/L (0.8 - 1.5)
LDL Cholesterol: 3.5 mmol/L (1.7 - 3.5)

[Bio-Active]

Your labs look pretty good

[LaRusso]

Would it be worth trying a PCT?

[Bio-Active]

Would it be worth trying a PCT?

with your labs already in range what would another pct accomplish? What are your symptoms? How much sleep are you getting Ed?

[LaRusso]

Symptoms are: Weak erections, low libido, my "staying" power has decreased somewhat drastically (eg I no longer last longer than a few minutes once I do get it up)...

My sleep patterns are admittedly quite bad, but I can manage this better.

The symptoms have been with me for quite a while now. I'd say close to, if not a full year. Maybe more than that considering I wasn't so concerned in the beginning.

As far as the causes go, I've run Tren Ace ON IT'S OWN with no test or a PCT of any kind for 4 cycles. The last being in May 2013.

The other thing which it could be... is Propecia. I've been on this since October 2011 at 1mg per day.

I guess the questions that remain are: Could the Tren have left me with these sides without showing some kind of evidence in my bloodwork NOW? Could Propecia be the cause, even though my test levels are apparently okay?

[Bio-Active]

Decrease sexual interest is a known side effect from propecia

[LaRusso]

Hmmm.... I might give Propecia a rest for a while and see how I go.

Is it completely normal/reasonable that I have normal test levels now, given the fact I have ran Tren a few times before with zero PCT? Is it possible that it's caused "damage" of some kind?

[Bio-Active]

Hmmm.... I might give Propecia a rest for a while and see how I go. Is it completely normal/reasonable that I have normal test levels now, given the fact I have ran Tren a few times before with zero PCT? Is it possible that it's caused "damage" of some kind?

i think you want to start with anything that you are taking that could effect the way you feel. Have you thought about discussing the side effects with your dr regarding propecia