First Time PCT after 10 Month Cycle

**mconway0003** · 09-16-2014, 12:40 PM

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**marcus300** · 09-16-2014, 12:42 PM

Very stupid doing a 10month first cycle, you probably fuked yourself up. Do an aggressive pct and after 8 weeks after pct get blood work done and see what damage you have done.

**LeroyPinnings** · 09-16-2014, 01:16 PM

Somewhat in the same boat as you.

I was doing 250mg test e / week for my first cycle and did it for 6.5 months.

I have read a lot and learned it was dumb to do that small of dose b/c I didnt get great gains and the cycle way to long.

After lots of discussion the best PCT for me to do was recommended to run 1000iu HCG every 3 days for 3 weeks.. then run 100mg everyday clomid for 3 weeks, then 50mg for another 3 weeks.. run 20mg nolva starting with the clomid.

HCG doses upped because of the longer length cycle. Hope this helps.

**jimmyinkedup** · 09-16-2014, 01:45 PM

blast hcg . Stop hcg 3 days before you start your serms. serms id do clomid-100/50/50/50 vad tamox 40/20/20/20/20
Marcus is right- this is just a ridiculous cycle man. That long is beyond foolish IMO. Id def rethink some thing from here on out for your own well being.

**kelkel** · 09-16-2014, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

blast hcg . Stop hcg 3 days before you start your serms. serms id do clomid-100/50/50/50 vad tamox 40/20/20/20/20
Marcus is right- this is just a ridiculous cycle man. That long is beyond foolish IMO. Id def rethink some thing from here on out for your own well being.

Agree with above. Google the "Power PCT Protocol" by Scally and do that.
Did you run any AI during this period?

**mackbutter** · 09-16-2014, 02:06 PM

I can only speak from my own experience , but I just did a 20 week of 300mg of test e every 8 days and it was fantastic . However, I did notice that after 14 weeks the gains stopped coming.
I've been doing VERY short test e cycles for around 9 years. Like 4-6 weeks only. I used hcg a few times but only 1 week of Nolvadex sometimes.
Now fast forward to this year and staying on for 20 weeks I knew I had to up my pct game so even though I ran HCG from weeks 7-20 I waited 12 days after last pin and did a 12 day blast of HCG at higher doses EOD. Then I waited 3 days and started my 6 weeks of clomid and Nolva. I believe I did 100/100/50/50/25/25 and 10/10/10/20/20/20. Yesterday was actually my last day of pct. My point is that it worked out great. Try to stay positive as it can get a bit troubling if you think negatively about it too much.
I understood that u didn't use HCG while on ? Of course that would have been much better but u can't go back in time.... Read a bit more about blasting HCG after a cycle and try to come to a decision based on many threads on various sites. I'm not saying that mine was the best , but I was very happy with it. I did 2500, 2000, 1500, 1000,800, 500 250 iu. for the 12 day EOD/HCG blast. But again, that was having been on HCG during cycle. In your case I would have done double of what I did. And I would probably do 100 clomid and 40 nolva in your case.
If the 100 of clomid drives you mad , like it did with me, 50 seemed to work even better after I switched. You might consider staying on pct for 7 or 8 weeks also in yur case.
Again, I would recommend doing a lot of reading and kinda make your own decision on how to proceed. You can't believe or accept everything u read online as fact as most of it is just copied....
Good luck . I'm sure it'll work out fine.

**kelkel** · 09-16-2014, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by mackbutter

Now fast forward to this year and staying on for 20 weeks I knew I had to up my pct game so even though I ran HCG from weeks 7-20 I waited 12 days after last pin and did a 12 day blast of HCG at higher doses EOD. Then I waited 3 days and started my 6 weeks of clomid and Nolva. I believe I did 100/100/50/50/25/25 and 10/10/10/20/20/20. Yesterday was actually my last day of pct. My point is that it worked out great. Try to stay positive as it can get a bit troubling if you think negatively about it too much.

Not the bearer of bad news but you have no idea if it "worked out great" yet or not until you pull BW in about 8 weeks. Right now your hyper-stimulated from the serms. You have to wait and see what your system will hold when back to it's own endogenous production. Then you'll know the end result.

**Kozmo** · 09-16-2014, 02:13 PM

It's not smart but it was just test e you should be fine. If you visit forums based in the uk they would tell you that Americans are wrong about longer cycles. Uk allows steroids for personal use which lends itself to better science.

So instead of calling it a dumb cycle lets call it an awesome science experiment.

**mackbutter** · 09-16-2014, 02:19 PM

Again, try to stay positive OP and don't let others try to bring u down.

**Back In Black** · 09-16-2014, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Kozmo

It's not smart but it was just test e you should be fine. If you visit forums based in the uk they would tell you that Americans are wrong about longer cycles. Uk allows steroids for personal use which lends itself to better science.

So instead of calling it a dumb cycle lets call it an awesome science experiment.

It lends itself to retarded cycles and terrible advice given by 'seasoned' users who are only 23 years old.

**jimmyinkedup** · 09-16-2014, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Kozmo

It's not smart but it was just test e you should be fine. If you visit forums based in the uk they would tell you that Americans are wrong about longer cycles. Uk allows steroids for personal use which lends itself to better science.

So instead of calling it a dumb cycle lets call it an awesome science experiment.

I find this slightly humorous only in the sense that Marcus is from the UK and is obviously pretty well versed in all aspects of the game and well we all saw his reply.
You can call it what you like, I call it, well lets just say not very prudent for many reasons.

**jimmyinkedup** · 09-16-2014, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Not the bearer of bad news but you have no idea if it "worked out great" yet or not until you pull BW in about 8 weeks. Right now your hyper-stimulated from the serms. You have to wait and see what your system will hold when back to it's own endogenous production. Then you'll know the end result.

Spot on my friend, spot on, as usual.

**mconway0003** · 09-16-2014, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Very stupid doing a 10month first cycle, you probably fuked yourself up. Do an aggressive pct and after 8 weeks after pct get blood work done and see what damage you have done.

I know...I've been in a constant state of regret. When you say aggressive what do you mean? And are we talking about inevitable damage here?

**mconway0003** · 09-16-2014, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by LeroyPinnings

Somewhat in the same boat as you.

I was doing 250mg test e / week for my first cycle and did it for 6.5 months.

I have read a lot and learned it was dumb to do that small of dose b/c I didnt get great gains and the cycle way to long.

After lots of discussion the best PCT for me to do was recommended to run 1000iu HCG every 3 days for 3 weeks.. then run 100mg everyday clomid for 3 weeks, then 50mg for another 3 weeks.. run 20mg nolva starting with the clomid.

HCG doses upped because of the longer length cycle. Hope this helps.

You didnt use an AI??

**mconway0003** · 09-16-2014, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Agree with above. Google the "Power PCT Protocol" by Scally and do that.
Did you run any AI during this period?

I did not run any AI during the cycle. I was going to run them after. I didn't even know running an AI during was practical

**kelkel** · 09-16-2014, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Kozmo

It's not smart but it was just test e you should be fine. If you visit forums based in the uk they would tell you that Americans are wrong about longer cycles. Uk allows steroids for personal use which lends itself to better science.

So instead of calling it a dumb cycle lets call it an awesome science experiment.

Lets make that judgement after BW is in.

Originally Posted by mackbutter

Again, try to stay positive OP and don't let others try to bring u down.

Not trying to bring down. Just a reality check and some guidance. There's a risk-reward to AAS usage. It's such a fine line that we walk and all precautions should be taken to cycle safely.

**mconway0003** · 10-16-2014, 07:13 PM

Hey guys, just wanted to say I'm still really grateful for all your responses. Just getting my PCT supplies ready and should be blasting HCG soon.

Since my first post I have dropped down to 250 test E a week and am thinking of dropping down to 120 once a week. I am going to start pct in about 2 weeks. Is this 'weening down' situation with the test going to have any positive effects??