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Hey guys, I end 8 month cycle cca 4 months ago and my libido is totaly fcked, weak erektion and i want sleep all day :tear: I dont know what to do- I was thinking about HCG+ proviron or triptolelin is that a good idea? What is your opinion? what should i do? my sex life is ruined
LH : 4,0 iu/l
FSH: 6,3IU/l
tst: 7,9 ng/ml ---
estradiol: 21,7
SHBG: 64,0
You can try the Dr. Scallys power pct (google it), but there are no garantees of recovery for someone that young and such long cycle.
You might need to go the TRT route at 20 years old, which is sad but if you were old enough to stick a needle in your butt, you have to be old enough to face the consequences.
So there is no chance to ,,natural,, treathment? like - the time makes everything ok?
It is unknown why young ppl cycling have your problem.
It is a fact that in the younger years of adulthood our body has some hormones elevated (compared to rest of life), messing up the hormones like when on a cycle seems to signal to the body that this elevated state is already too much and that it needs to drop the values, while some organs (sex organs included) could still benefit from this elevated state.
This is just a possible way to explain it, and totally my opinion which can be completely wrong.
Sure, you can try to wait it out, again the medical studies and references are scarce, and not really made in your age group, so no garantees. The Scallys protocol could maybe repair the homeostasis quicker.
After few months results: I feel much better, not sleepy all day, more energy .. but still no f-cking libido and very weak erection... What the hell is wrong? Some advice?
LH - 3,20 ng/ml
FSH- 5,76
TST- 16,85 min: 6,07 - max 27
prolaktin - 107,90
Whats the units and range on the prolactin?Quote:
Originally Posted by Miki3
You didnt test estrogen (estradiol e2)?
Unfortunnaly we have seen a lot of younger guys like you with same problems, dont know if its the same as it happens with older guys but with older guys after initiating TRT the 1st things to comeback is energy and feeling of well being, follows libido and last thing to improve is erectile dysfunction, sometimes it takes 9-12 month for this to happen.
You also should have tested free test and SHBG.
Prolaktin is mIU/I ... In my country when i want test for estrogen, SHBG and free test i must go at endycronology and this is not that simple :( but okey I will try it... So those results what i post are okey? Btw After 6 months is my energy back, its very long time, is there a chance if I wait more erektion will be fine too ? .... Sory for my english :s but i hope you understand...
Because, if I understand good - you saying like: Its very high chance that I will have ED forever. Im right?
You interrupted your hormonal axis while it was maturing, like I said before problems like this appear often here in the forum and many times there is little we can say about solutions, plus your bloodwok is imcomplete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miki3
You should seek help from a doctor urologist/andrologist.
In my opinion, if bloodwork is normal, you should wait and see if situation improves, take some cialis for the erectile problems.
estradiol: 21,7
SHBG: 64,0
Dude your SHBG is high. It inactivates your test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miki3
What you need to do is bring that down. Mesterolone only is the way I'd go, as it can break SHBG without significant HPTA suppression. Stay away from HCG and everything else, they would do more harm than good. Dosage up to 50 mg divided morning/evening.
It will take some time, SHBG has a very long t/2 of three weeks
EDIT: PRL is normal, didn't consider it as mIU/l.
DONT take Mesterolone...Quote:
Originally Posted by bizzarro
OP give it time to recover at this point and see where you are in a couple months, in the mean time maybe consider having cia on hand (cialis) for when needed since you are dealing with this. also peptide ipt 141 helps libido, but iv never done much research into younger people using it so im not sure if it would effect anything down the line, but the cia should be fine.
there is a reason i tell people to wait till around age 25 to start messing with aas...
its already 7 months :tear: and it is not better, still no erection and cialis work but very weak(max. one round, not hard erection)... If I go on cycle now and then go very agresive pct may it help or no? would it be better? .. i am so angry :icon_roll BTW have long use of viagra some side efect? like, idk :D no erection without it ? I know how viagra works, just asking ... and one more thing :D my "seed" is like a fu*king water, what with that? wait too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop
Why not? It's not going to alter his overall hormonal balance. I know some oldies that use it efficiently in place of sildenafil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop
Hell no. Try simple solutions first...Quote:
Originally Posted by Miki3
Vitamin D and boron can lower SHBG. I've tried the latter on myself and it definitely worked.
get full blood work while on nothing.... go from there. and no dont use more steroids.... geeze..Quote:
Originally Posted by Miki3
hes very young and not recovered. using more aas might further aggravate and issue he now has going on... we are not talking some 45 yr dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by bizzarro
and OP, consider youmay now need hrt...
What shoud I take for HRT? Im so disgust of this what happens .... and some offtopic q, what is better? take HCG 3 times per week 250mg or go scallys power pct?
He have a test of 790, I'd say he's fully recovered, the problem is SHBG. Mesterolone does nothing other than bind SHBG. That will help raise free T, which in turn will dial SHBG down. I fail to see what's that going to aggravate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop
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Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop
Brotip: SERMS will worsen your problem by upregulating SHBG. HCG will only shutdown your test again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miki3
A tried proviron, nothing hapends :aajack:Quote:
Originally Posted by bizzarro
Dosage? For how much time? SHBG has an half-life of several weeks, it takes time to dial it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miki3
I don't think it's a good idea to encourage someone who's 20 years old to take AAS.Quote:
Originally Posted by bizzarro
There are safer ways to reduce shbg if that's OP's goal.
Vitamin D3, zinc and fish oil have all been shown to reduce shbg and they are much safer than taking proviron.
I know, but young people usually won't listen, he's very likely to go on cycle again if he fails to resolve the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by numbere
Mesterolone is an AAS, albeit a very weak one. Even high dosages have proven to be non-suppressing:
The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, plasma testosterone and outcome in idiopathic... - PubMed - NCBI
Once again I respectfully disagree, young adults listen to advice not to cycle every day on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by bizzarro
As long as you treat them like adults and present the information in a non combative way they are very receptive.
That study is 30 years old.
It's well known to the community that proviron is suppressive.
Oh god :D.. I dont know what to do, doctors/endicronoligst say: your blood test is OK, you are OK. bye... Dafuk? IT is almost a fu*king year and my dick is not working, no libido too..... can viagra destroy my erection like this? you know I take a lot of viagra/ cialis, and now i have no erection bcs of this? .. but i still dont have libido :DQuote:
Originally Posted by numbere
75mg 4 weeks
75mg 4 weeks alreadyQuote:
Originally Posted by bizzarro
holy shit that's a long cycle. JESUS! not even blasting and cruising... ouch! Fucking Doctors... a f__king sad state. ignorant quacks!
a super freak could fix this. once i was fixed by a super freak
That's more than I recommended... try to get tT and SHBG re-checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miki3