How much damage can be done by running a PCT cycle improperly?

[hustler101]

I'm talking in terms of

-Skipping days during pct
-Waiting a month to a few months after finishing your steroid cycle
-Taking incorrect dosages of PCT (too much or too little)

Is it the length of consumption of steroids that does damage to your body or the way you recover after a cycle?

Reason I ask is because I been on nolva & clomid for 3 weeks now, but I began taking them a month after I finished my cycle without even using HCG at the final stages of the cycle. Also I skipped some days...

[kelkel]

None of what you mentioned is optimal, but it doesn't mean you won't fully recover. Only blood work about 8 weeks post pct will answer that question. Finish your pct, wait it out and get the correct blood work to see how you recovered. Be sure you include LH & FSH. Use an on-line site if needed, they're very cost effective and offer post cycle package deals as well.

[hustler101]

Should I inject 500 IU of HCG twice / week after I finish my PCT?

[kelkel]

No, it's to late for HCG. Normally it's stopped about 3 days prior to initiation of pct. It's suppressive to your natural LH/FSH output so it would be counter-productive to run it now.

[hustler101]

Cool
I just got my results from 2 weeks ago.. here they are

test total 25.1
SHBG 58.9
TEST FREE CAL 375
TEST BIO CAL 9.01

I think my SHBG is too high.... this is an improvement from june 2016 where my test levels were lower

(BACK IN JUNE 2016)
test total 15.7
SHBG 44.2
TEST FREE CAL 266
TEST BIO CAL 6.39
ESTRADIOL 83

[kelkel]

Need ranges.

[hustler101]

Cool so you're saying I need LH, FSH & GnRH ranges which are not there

[kelkel]

Well, no. By ranges I mean each item comes with a range. Like total testosterone via Labcorp in the states has a range of 348 - 1197. You need to post the ranges after each value so where know where you land in the range. Re LH & FSH, yes they are needed as they show pituitary function and this is what you're starting up with pct/serms.

[hustler101]

I've just got my new Test results and here they are, this is after running and finishing my PCT of chlomid and nova
Note that I skipped days when taking my PCT and I need to know if I should do another cycle fo PCT for the heck of it? Or maybe take some aromataser inhibitors.
These results have LH and FSH values
The results seem to have increased, althought I'm wondering if my values are correct or not

[kelkel]

Looking at some of your elevated (hyper stimulated) levels it's obvious you tested way to soon. You need to wait at least 8 weeks post pct to give your HPTA time to find homeostasis. Basically to see where your new, natural levels are without stimulation from serms.

[hustler101]

I wanna get my natural test levels as high as possible, ideally in the 800 or 900 range... I'm wondering if that's possible by running another PCT and taking some estrogen suppressors

[hustler101]

Does this mean my testosterone right now is in the 1200 range?
I thought at these levels I'd want to rip somebody's head off, and I don't feel that aggressive

[Couchlock]

Does this mean my testosterone right now is in the 1200 range?

It means your level is "off the charts"

Wait 6 weeks then see were it falls, guarantee its not going to be 40.?

[kelkel]

I wanna get my natural test levels as high as possible, ideally in the 800 or 900 range... I'm wondering if that's possible by running another PCT and taking some estrogen suppressors

There's a line from the original movie Grumpy Old Men and I'll paraphrase, "You can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one gets filled up first." I'm not downplaying your goals but the purpose of pct is to try and return you to your former and normal endogenous T levels. Running another pct is not prudent and will not "bump up" your T levels in any sustainable way. Your HPTA will always find its own balance. Gauge things by your free T levels not your total T levels. Free T is what works for you, total really doesn't matter.

Does this mean my testosterone right now is in the 1200 range?

Ng/dl yes. Probably a little over that due to it being hyper-stimulated from serms.

[hustler101]

I ran so many bad PCTs that I really don't know when the last time was that my levels were at their normal
I do know that the guy who invented bulletproof coffee said he is taking aromataser inhibitors and chlomid on a regular basis, he says it helps him keep his test levels naturally high. He's also taking estrogen suppressors. Which is why I'm wondering, if it's worth trying to lower down the estrogen levels.

[hustler101]

What about taking PCT instead of doing a steroids cycle? It seems like a safer bet... heck if I can get my T levels up to 1200 range without taking roids
I'm not familiar with the side-effects of taking Chlomid and Nova but it can't be that bad... what you guys think?

[Couchlock]

I ran so many bad PCTs that I really don't know when the last time was that my levels were at their normal
I do know that the guy who invented bulletproof coffee said he is taking aromataser inhibitors and chlomid on a regular basis, he says it helps him keep his test levels naturally high. He's also taking estrogen suppressors. Which is why I'm wondering, if it's worth trying to lower down the estrogen levels.

SERMS are not good to take on a regular basis

Also I should note, that if you ran a bad post Cycle Therapy then you ran a bad cycle as well

Because your recovery after a cycle is part of your cycle and if you don't recover well you don't keep gains properly and you damage your health so when it's all said and done all wrapped up in a nutshell PCP is also part of your cycle

[numbere]

... so when it's all said and done all wrapped up in a nutshell PCP is also part of your cycle

Whoa sounds like a wild cycle.

[Couchlock]

Whoa sounds like a wild cycle.

Bad phone, bad

[kelkel]

I ran so many bad PCTs that I really don't know when the last time was that my levels were at their normal
I do know that the guy who invented bulletproof coffee said he is taking aromataser inhibitors and chlomid on a regular basis, he says it helps him keep his test levels naturally high. He's also taking estrogen suppressors. Which is why I'm wondering, if it's worth trying to lower down the estrogen levels.

You need to spend some more time here self-educating. Clomid is used as a form of TRT in and of itself by some doctors. Normally in men who are still concerned with fertility. Estrogen control may be required as well if your T levels remain elevated. More T = more conversion to E. Most men report the subjective benefits of clomid therapy as not equalling actual testosterone supplementation. The only reason to lower estrogen is if it's elevated. Otherwise absolutely not, men need estrogen just as women need testosterone.

What about taking PCT instead of doing a steroids cycle? It seems like a safer bet... heck if I can get my T levels up to 1200 range without taking roids
I'm not familiar with the side-effects of taking Chlomid and Nova but it can't be that bad... what you guys think?

I think it's a very bad idea. Why on earth would you continually hyper-stimulate your pituitary if your testosterone levels are normal? How about looking into improving your training and nutrition. Think of it this way, if discipline is such that you can't make gains off cycle you'll never keep those gains made when on cycle.

[hustler101]

Alright thanks guys, really appricaite the advice. Not many places on the web are people going to give you hormone advice and those doctors don't know what they are talking about.
I'll post future results here as well