End of Cycle no PCT 3 months off cold

[taaa]

Yo guys I have a problem.

I started my first cycle of test 500 mg a week in November. It went all good strength through the roof I felt really good gained around 10-15kg. And huge strength gains. My dealer couldn't get me nolva or Clomid and I don't like ordering stuff from the internet I think there are a lot of fake things. So what i did is I ended my cycle without pct. it's been 3 months now I'm off the fatigue etc is gone but my balls did not recover completely they are smaller than they were before cycle. Also my libido is not as strong as before. I'm really afraid because of that I also lost a lot of muscle mass I think I never had that less muscle mass before. I feel like a woman don't know if u can understand what I mean. I started taking zinc 50mg 3 days ago daily.

So what im up to now is getting my hands on some nolva and try to recover with the 40/40/20/20 protocol. Would that work ? Since I'm not completely shut down right now balls dropped abit and my natural testosterone is definitely going but not as much as before.

Or should I do another cycle? And then get my hands on a pct before I begin the cycle to pretend those issues?

I know I've done a mistake. 80% of my ball size is back I think but not all that's really doing no good to my self esteem.

Thanks for the help in advance

[Couchlock]

Yo guys I have a problem.

I started my first cycle of test 500 mg a week in November. It went all good strength through the roof I felt really good gained around 10-15kg. And huge strength gains. My dealer couldn't get me nolva or Clomid and I don't like ordering stuff from the internet I think there are a lot of fake things. So what i did is I ended my cycle without pct. it's been 3 months now I'm off the fatigue etc is gone but my balls did not recover completely they are smaller than they were before cycle. Also my libido is not as strong as before. I'm really afraid because of that I also lost a lot of muscle mass I think I never had that less muscle mass before. I feel like a woman don't know if u can understand what I mean. I started taking zinc 50mg 3 days ago daily.

So what im up to now is getting my hands on some nolva and try to recover with the 40/40/20/20 protocol. Would that work ? Since I'm not completely shut down right now balls dropped abit and my natural testosterone is definitely going but not as much as before.

Or should I do another cycle? And then get my hands on a pct before I begin the cycle to pretend those issues?

I know I've done a mistake. 80% of my ball size is back I think but not all that's really doing no good to my self esteem.

Thanks for the help in advance

You should run a power pct with hcg Nolva and Clomid.

Google power pct

[taaa]

Ok will try that. Thanks for the fast reply my friend. Will nolva alone do its job aswell? Since I recovered like halfway already? I just need a bit more testosterone I can feel it i also gained some muscle again after loosing some of it because of my long break took like 2-3 months off because of my job etc.
but I'm really afraid of my balls I loved them if u get what I mean lol. Would be a shame loosing them

[Couchlock]

Ok will try that. Thanks for the fast reply my friend. Will nolva alone do its job aswell? Since I recovered like halfway already? I just need a bit more testosterone I can feel it i also gained some muscle again after loosing some of it because of my long break took like 2-3 months off because of my job etc.
but I'm really afraid of my balls I loved them if u get what I mean lol. Would be a shame loosing them

You don't have a full understanding of the functions of steroids , or the seems used in recovery during pct.

If I were you.... Let me use an analogy.

You have cancer, you can take a combination of 2 pills and it will go away and you'll be normal, 99% guaranteed.

But if you only take one, you might fully recover but your chances are 45% instead of 99%

Will you just say fuck it and hope you are the 45% that does good on half the therapy? Or will you spend the extra $10 and get almost a guaranteed recovery?

Can I get you age, and length of cycle you ran, and any previous cycles?

[Couchlock]

You don't have a full understanding of the functions of steroids , or the seems used in recovery during pct.

If I were you.... Let me use an analogy.

You have cancer, you can take a combination of 2 pills and it will go away and you'll be normal, 99% guaranteed.

But if you only take one, you might fully recover but your chances are 45% instead of 99%

Will you just say fuck it and hope you are the 45% that does good on half the therapy? Or will you spend the extra $10 and get almost a guaranteed recovery?

Can I get you age, and length of cycle you ran, and any previous cycles?

Also, if you'd have done pct, you'd have kept a good 70% of your gains if not more

[taaa]

Was my first cycle ran it for like 16 weeks or abit more. Gained 15 kg in total lost like 6 kilos. Yes that was my plan maintaining my gains but I had real stress in my personal life outside the gym. And going cold was making things abit worse also no regular workout during that time only like once a week or twice max. So it's normal i lost some gains. That's not what I'm afraid off. Only thing I'm afraid off is my natural test production. In turning 23 this year. And weight 80kg on 1,85m height that's like 6'1.

Is the combination of nolva and Clomid bulletproof? I studied entire google on that subject some people even have problems after that shit so I think 99% is too high. Or am I wrong? What about you? Have u always recovered properly?

Thanks for the help man really appreciate it.

[Couchlock]

Was my first cycle ran it for like 16 weeks or abit more. Gained 15 kg in total lost like 6 kilos. Yes that was my plan maintaining my gains but I had real stress in my personal life outside the gym. And going cold was making things abit worse also no regular workout during that time only like once a week or twice max. So it's normal i lost some gains. That's not what I'm afraid off. Only thing I'm afraid off is my natural test production. In turning 23 this year. And weight 80kg on 1,85m height that's like 6'1.

Is the combination of nolva and Clomid bulletproof? I studied entire google on that subject some people even have problems after that shit so I think 99% is too high. Or am I wrong? What about you? Have u always recovered properly?

Thanks for the help man really appreciate it.

Nothing is bullet proof.

If any thing, you should of went to a maintenance dose of test only while you searched for pct.

22 even with a proper pct, your chances of recovery are exponentially less than the 33 year old version of you.

Reason being. Yiyr body is still in flux and developing as far as hormones and HPTA are concerned. It doesn't yet know its normal.

So what is its reference point to return to normal? Ya get that?

While not 100% Clomid and Nolva is all we have to get it back. There are other serms but these are the gold standard.

I only cycled once, from September to December total of 17 weeks of y
600 mg test with Arimidex and HCG .

NEVER LOST MY NUTS or will to fuck,

Went from 135 to 155-160, after pct around 150 (lbs not kg)

My strength stayed the same,I ran 6 weeks of Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20, and 4 weeks of Clomid 75/50/50/50.

I ate and trained even harder than on cycle, although I was new, I read enough to know that pct and after are were you solidify your gains, and you do not take pct and post pct lightly. Its more important than cycle itself.

Its like going and getting a 67 gto off the frame restoration, get it show room mechanically sound, and driving it with no paint just bare metal. After a few months, your $15k restoration won't be worth the powder to blow to hell

I,haven't ran bloods yet post pct.but from what I know and feel, I feel better than before the cycle, so maybe I had low t, (I did actually 384) and my cycle just was intermediate and pct was an effective case of successful serm therapy for a borderline low T adult.

Is like to think so.

Never never cycle without this; 15% or lower bf, pharma grade hcg, Anastrozole, tamoxifen , and clomiphene.

[taaa]

Well i had high t levels before cYcle. I build muscle literally by just looking at a bar. Just my sense of well being is gone and I don't mean the one on steroids I mean the one I had naturally I always felt good.

Do u buy ur pct online? Or local? I'm about to go to a doctor and tell him to prescribe me some nolva know a doc who does this.

Ya I'm definitely never cycling again without pct on hand. My plan was to get my pct while being on. But I was just enjoying the run.

[Couchlock]

Well i had high t levels before cYcle. I build muscle literally by just looking at a bar. Just my sense of well being is gone and I don't mean the one on steroids I mean the one I had naturally I always felt good.

Do u buy ur pct online? Or local? I'm about to go to a doctor and tell him to prescribe me some nolva know a doc who does this.

Ya I'm definitely never cycling again without pct on hand. My plan was to get my pct while being on. But I was just enjoying the run.

Docs ain't gonna give you nothing but a lecture and I told you so's

[kelkel]

If you're in the states use discounted labs dot com or private md labs and pull some BW to actually see how you're doing. That's step one right now. They have packages set up for post cycle, etc. Then you can properly assess thing and make the right decision.

[taaa]

Hi thanks but I live in Europe do they ship there? I really need to fix it never doing this without pct ever again i hope I'm fine after pct like before.

[Couchlock]

Well i had high t levels before cYcle. I build muscle literally by just looking at a bar. Just my sense of well being is gone and I don't mean the one on steroids I mean the one I had naturally I always felt good.

Do u buy ur pct online? Or local? I'm about to go to a doctor and tell him to prescribe me some nolva know a doc who does this.

Ya I'm definitely never cycling again without pct on hand. My plan was to get my pct while being on. But I was just enjoying the run.

You said you had high levels of T before, and can build by looking at a bar.

Well I'm going to,be the stick in the mud, THIS IS A LESSON FOR YOU YOUNGER GUYS WHO JUST FOLLOW A DRUG DEALERS ADVICE BLINDLY.

I'm going to say, your never going to get you natural high levels back. The reason guys like us use these (I'm not even considered a juice user, 1 simple cycle) is because we don't have The natural test level of a 22 year old anymore, and if we're going to supplement test, might as well take it past natty levels.

This is why we hammer the "research research wait wait" over and over.

People think we are being snooty or snobs, but its always about protecting and advising younger generations to the safest wisest choices.

This is typical par for the course usually

"I'm going to cycle no,matter way"

3 months later
."help, my dick won't work, I'm depressed,I lost it all and then some,"

Good luck, hope you bounce back

[taaa]

Yo thanks for the reply I knew about pct before my cycle and didn't follow anyone's advice it was my decision to go off cold (main reason is no access to pct stuff) my dealer had no pct stuff only juice.

Im going to take shitload of zinc and vitamin d until I get some nolva maybe I won't even need it. I feel pretty good tbh. Gained strength and size already after my break not as fast as on juice but pretty decently. Also Im experimenting with my body wanna see all the reactions of it going off cold and with pct for future cycles. But for now I'm staying off.
Only thing bothering me are my nuts they feel like before sometimes but sometimes they feel like they didn't recover idk how to explain. Maybe it's in my head. Overall I'm not regretting anything.

Has anyone tested their test levels before cycle then after pct and they were 1:1 the same? Or is there always less test than natural after cycling.

[Couchlock]

Yo thanks for the reply I knew about pct before my cycle and didn't follow anyone's advice it was my decision to go off cold (main reason is no access to pct stuff) my dealer had no pct stuff only juice.

Im going to take shitload of zinc and vitamin d until I get some nolva maybe I won't even need it. I feel pretty good tbh. Gained strength and size already after my break not as fast as on juice but pretty decently. Also Im experimenting with my body wanna see all the reactions of it going off cold and with pct for future cycles. But for now I'm staying off.
Only thing bothering me are my nuts they feel like before sometimes but sometimes they feel like they didn't recover idk how to explain. Maybe it's in my head. Overall I'm not regretting anything.

Has anyone tested their test levels before cycle then after pct and they were 1:1 the same? Or is there always less test than natural after cycling.

Its a accepted thing you come back less than before but better than cut-off low t levels

[taaa]

Ok after taking zinc for a few weeks and vitamin d I'm still not fully recovered
Still smaller balls less hard errections. I ordered some Clomid and nolvadex I'm halfway recovered that's for sure I have test flowing through my body but not as much as before I know my body 100% but my smaller balls make me wanna cry not kidding. Does nolva and Clomid help recovering my balls? I don't have hcg . Only nolva and Clomid. If I don't get my old balls back I'll start a new cycle for 1 year fuck that shit

[Couchlock]

Ok after taking zinc for a few weeks and vitamin d I'm still not fully recovered
Still smaller balls less hard errections. I ordered some Clomid and nolvadex I'm halfway recovered that's for sure I have test flowing through my body but not as much as before I know my body 100% but my smaller balls make me wanna cry not kidding. Does nolva and Clomid help recovering my balls? I don't have hcg. Only nolva and Clomid. If I don't get my old balls back I'll start a new cycle for 1 year fuck that shit

Dude give it time

No doubt zinc and D3 didn't do jack.

If they do anything they optimuze natural production, not increase it.

You need to do a power PCT with hcg , Nolva and Clomid.

Hell I'd be open to every serm there is at your point.

Just relax. Be easy. Chill.

Give it time, power pct and time.

You need hcg, its the most effective tool you have to combat this.
.bring them balls back with hcg, and think of serms as jumper cables to a dead battery.

Once they get going (if they do) then just keep your motor running for a few hours without shutting off car.

The next morning you will be able to start and drive your car to work.

The motor running in this analogy is 6 weeks of serms

They should resume, not 100% but I'm hoping at least 75% 80% recovery of fullness and test levals

[taaa]

I hope I get my full size back I'm not missing much after going off cold. Why the fuck do people cycle if they loose their natural manlihood? Not kidding that shit makes me wanna cry everytime i grab my balls. On cycle i didn't care about small balls cause u feel like superhero. But natural everything should be running as it should. Sometimes they feel normal will see what the Clomid and nolva will do hope that shit is not fake.

[Couchlock]

I hope I get my full size back I'm not missing much after going off cold. Why the fuck do people cycle if they loose their natural manlihood? Not kidding that shit makes me wanna cry everytime i grab my balls. On cycle i didn't care about small balls cause u feel like superhero. But natural everything should be running as it should. Sometimes they feel normal will see what the Clomid and nolva will do hope that shit is not fake.

Why?
You,want an honest answer?

Beacause we are shallow

[taaa]

Haha

Started my Clomid and nolva today.
Lets see what it does.

[taaa]

That Stuff is crazy love it. My balls dropped again and so much energy feels so good to be reliefed from that fucking going off cold depression. Im abit emotional tho talking abit more about my feelings when i didn't speak about them with anyone ever lol. W.e that stuff helps